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These questions where asked in a forum I visit. WHAT ABOUT SUICIDE? Can it be forgiven? Is it not written that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, is the only unpardonable sin? The questionnaire has yet to answer the questions himself, but his questions prompted this response and I would like to share it so that other may share it freely if they so wish. The questionaire advocates salvation by works.
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It always saddens me to see those that advocate “self salvation” to bring up suicide. It is always served with a generous portion of apathy and contempt for those who do commit suicide, and even those who are depressed to the point of considering it. There will always be someone that defines suicide as murder and try to state that murderers cannot be forgiven and end up in God’s heaven. The reasoning goes if you can save yourself you can likewise condemn your self. But the bible says that “all” are condemned already. From that we must be rescued.

But what does the bible say about murderers? It says they shall not have a place in God’s heaven. But when the Spirit of the new law of Christ says that we are ALL murders if we get angry at our brothers for no reason, it kind of levels the playing field huh? Like it or not we are all murderers! Have you not heard that if you break one of Gods laws you have broken them all?

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When I first became a Christian, I studied under a guy named R.B. Theime because he has a free booklet and cassette tape ministry. I later concluded that he had to much of a militant personality and he went a little stray doctrinally. BUT one of the most influential booklets I have ever had was from Doctor Theime simply called “Christian Suffering”. From this I learned a very important principle that Theime coined “Momentum Testing” which asserts that while God is omniscient know all things, He allows us to have set backs, afflictions, challenges and adversities SO THAT WE know where we are in our relationship with him. AND ALSO to bring us maturity and THE NEXT LEVAL of responsibility and relationship with Him.

Theime also coined a term that RADICALLY INSULTS MODERN MAN,, “Suffering for Blessing”. WHY?? Simply because the modern CHRISTIAN has, for the most part, turned FROM TRUTH TO MYTHS and LIES TAUGHT BY DEMONS.

To help others see the value in Christian Suffering, I did some research a couple of years ago and posted a couple of pages of really good resource on Christian Suffering. I am a Member of a MSN groups called Christians Who Are Hurting. I posted this page of links there about two years ago and they are fixin to close due to MSN shutting down their OLD groups and starting new ones.

THEREFORE I am posting these pages over here.

THE VIDEO ABOVE IS AN HOUR LONG but may be the best video on healing ever made. Called “SIGNS AND WONDERS Movement EXPOSED” part two is on this post. PART ONE IS HERE with much more Christian suffering material.

I found this collection of articles and media on depression and grief on monergism.com also.

Depression & Grief
Multimedia | Essays
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“And, better still, Jesus will be in all these trials, and prove sufficient for them all. We shall hear in the midst ‘of the great fight of afflictions’ the sound of our Master’s footsteps. He Himself has passed through these flames, braved these floods, and bowed His guiltless head to these storms. He comes to us as He did to His disciples in the very midst of the tempest, and says, ‘Fear not, it is I, be not afraid.’
—John R. MacDuff commenting on Isaiah 43:2.
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The Bow in the Cloud, by John R. MacDuff – For those who grieve, start here! -designed specifically to comfort the grieving Christian.
Keeping the Heart by John Flavel

MultimediaDozens of Audio Lectures on Suffering, Pain and Sin by Steve Brown MP3s Founder and President of Key Life Network, and Professor of Practical Theology, Reformed Theological Seminary, Orlando, FLHow to Handle Anger by Jay Adams MP3
Dealing with Depression by Jay Adams MP3Suffering and the Sovereignty of God

Free MP3 Downloads
(Desiring God Conference 2005)
Suffering and the Sovereignty of God by John Piper MP3 | Read Manuscript | The Sovereignty of God and Ethnic-based Suffering by Carl Ellis MP3 | Outline
All the Good that is Ours in Christ”: Seeing God’s Gracious Hand in the Hurts Others Do Us by Mark Talbot
MP3 | Outline
Christ’s Grace and Your Sufferings by David Powlison MP3
Sovereignty, Suffering, and the Work of Missions by Steve Saint MP3
Suffering for the Sake of . . . by Joni Eareckson Tada MP3
The Suffering of Christ and the Sovereignty of God John Piper MP3
 

 

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Encouragement for the Depressed! by C.H. Spurgeon
Comfort for the Desponding by C.H. Spurgeon
Devotions for Those Who Grieve by Charles Spurgeon
The Night Watches by John MacDuff
The First Bereavement
by John McDuff
More Writings by John McDuff
REVIVAL: The Depression and Revivification of Spiritual Life by Octavius Winslow
Comforting Thoughts of Heaven by Octavius Winslow
Go and Tell Jesus by Octavius Winslow
Bereavement, The Submission and Solace of Spiritual Life by Octavius Winslow
The Mission of Sorrow by Gardiner Spring
A BOOK FOR THE BEREAVED by John MacDuff, 1883
Christ in the Psalms by Henry Law
Comfort for Mourners by Henry Law
Behold Your God: Sustaining Principles Amid Dark Providences by Dean Allen
John Piper’s Sermons on Suffering @desiringgod ministries

Help For Those Who Grieve (Website) By Greg and Nan Wright
Helpful Resources for Depression and Suffering Extenisve!

Forum for Those Who Grieve

The Hope Within Us: Bringing Comfort to the Bereaved By Nan Wright
Illness and a Lifeview by Bob Smith
1. Illness in general seen from the perspective of a biblical world and life view.
2. Depression (as a specific example of an illness) 3. Symptoms

COUNSELING ON SUICIDE  by Dr. Richard Krejcir<O:P></O:P>

The Character of Enthusiasm
by Dr. Richard Krejcir<O:P></O:P>
The Character of Encouragement
by Dr. Richard Krejcir
Trusting God Even When We Don’t Understand Pastor Bob Gonzales Jr.,
A Letter Out of Grief: A Short Letter from a Puritan Pastor After the Deaths of All Three of His Children by Samuel Danforth

Music for the Grieving
Cyberhymnal: Grief and Suffering

Songs of Encouragement Hymns and choruses written by Greg Wright and others to encourage the grieving. |
Songs of Hope – The singer originally made these recordings to encourage a dying friend. Now they are posted on the web in realaudio and mp3 formats.
Music for the Soul
Music For The Soul is a nonprofit Christian ministry committed to providing healing through music and song.

Trail of Tears by B. K. Campbell
Charles Spurgeon: Preaching Through Adversity
by John Piper
Counseling the Grieving by Rev. Charles Terpstra
The Cure of Melancholy and Overmuch Sorrow, by Faith by Richard Baxter
Directions for Grief at the Death of Friends by Richard Baxter
What to Do When you get Depressed by Jay Adams
The Crisis of Elijah (1 Kings 19:4-14) by J. Hampton Keathley III, Th.M.
The War Within (Romans 7:14-25) by Bob Deffinbaugh
The Darkest Days of David’s Life (2 Samuel 16:20 — 19:8) by Bob Deffinbaugh, Th.M
The True Source of Joy (Luke 10:17-24) by Bob Deffinbaugh
What is that Good that All Things shall Work For? (Romans 8:28) by Ralph Erskine
Intimacy with God

from Horatius Bonar’s Follow the Lamb

by JJ Lim
A Letter Out of Grief: A Letter from a Puritan Pastor After the Deaths of His Children by Samuel Danforth

 

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When I first became a Christian, I studied under a guy named R.B. Theime because he has a free booklet and cassette tape ministry. I later concluded that he had to much of a militant personality and he went a little stray doctrinally. BUT one of the most influential booklets I have ever had was from Doctor Theime simply called “Christian Suffering”. From this I learned a very important principle that Theime coined “Momentum Testing” which asserts that while God is omniscient knowing all things, He allows us to have set backs, afflictions, challenges and adversities SO THAT WE know where we are in our relationship with him. AND ALSO to bring us maturity and THE NEXT LEVAL of responsibility and relationship with Him.

Theime also coined a term that RADICALLY INSULTS MODERN MAN,, “Suffering for Blessing”. WHY?? Simply because the modern CHRISTIAN has, for the most part, turned FROM TRUTH TO MYTHS and LIES TAUGHT BY DEMONS.

To help others see the value in Christian Suffering, I did some research a couple of years ago and posted a couple of pages of really good resource on Christian Suffering. I am a Member of a MSN groups called Christians Who Are Hurting. I posted this page of links there about two years ago and they are fixin to close due to MSN shutting down their OLD groups and starting new ones.

THEREFORE I am posting these pages over here.

THE VIDEO ABOVE IS AN HOUR LONG but may be the best video on healing ever made. Called “SIGNS AND WONDERS Movement EXPOSED” part one is on this post. PART TWO IS HERE with many more Christian suffering material.

Theology of Suffering

“Frequently it is when we are crushed and devastated that the cross speaks most powerfully to us. The wounds of Christ then become Christ’s credentials. The world mocks, but we are assured of God’s love by Christ’s wounds.”   —D. A. Carson in How Long, O Lord?

“For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.” –Hebrews 2:18, NASB

Christ’s Holy Sufferings by Martin Luther
Luther’s Theology of the Cross by Carl R. Trueman
The School Of Suffering by John Newton
The Bruised Reed by Richard Sibbes New!
Against the Theology of Glory by R. Scott Clark
Affliction Sanctified by Richard Sibbes
Why Christ Suffered Max A Forsythe
CHRIST’S SYMPATHY TO WEARY PILGRIMS (some of Octavius Winslow’s best quotes)
Consider Jesus Thoughts for Daily Duty, Service, and Suffering by Octavius Winslow
The Problem of a Suffering Christian by A.W. Pink
Why Does God Allow Some of His Servants To Suffer So Grievously? by George McGuinness
Aint It Hard: Suffering & Hope in the Blues by William Edgar
A Pastoral Biblical-Theological Study of Suffering from Hebrews by C. R. Biggs
Singing The Blues with Jesus by Michael Horton
The Doctrine of Suffering By J. Hampton Keathley, III , Th.M.
Why Is There Suffering? By Sid Litke , Th.M.
Suffering is the Christian’s Path to Glory by Wil pounds
Religious Principles of the Scottish Martyrs by Dr. Andrew Symington
Making Sense Out Of Suffering Dr. Peter Kreeft

Sermons, Articles and Resources on Suffering by John Piper

Suffering and the Sovereignty of God
Is There Any Comfort When There’s No Answer? by John Hannah MP3
Dozens of Downloadable Audio Lecture on Suffering, Pain and Sin
by Steve Brown
MP3s

The Global Priority of Our Glorious God by Russell D. Moore
A Pastoral Theology of Tragedy Tom Ascol
No More Pain by Winslow

The Mute Christian under the Smarting Rod by Thomas Brooks
“Holiness, the Fruit of the Chastening of Love” by Octavius Winslow
“Present Suffering Weighed with Future Glory” by Octavius Winslow
“The Chastening of Love”
“As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.” Rev. 3:19.
by Octavius Winslow
The Glory of Suffering–Studies in 1 Peter Bob Deffinbaugh
A Pastoral Theology of Tragedy by Tom Ascol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did Paul View His Suffering as an Apostle as Beneficial? by ABU
Suffering An Unspoken Sermon By B. K. Campbell
A Solace in Suffering: The Sovereignty of God (Romans 8:28) By Bob Deffinbaugh , Th.M.
The Great Giver by A.W. Pink
Affliction Sanctified by Richard Sibbs
Sickness, The Succor and Soothing of Spiritual Life
by Octavius Winslow
The Cry for a Reason in Suffering by Ravi Zacharias
The Sufferings and Death of Christ by Augustus Montague Toplady (1740-1778)
Tried by Fire A.W. Pink
A New Perspective On Suffering (1Peter 4:12-19) The Reverend Bryn MacPhail
Hope and Holiness in A Hostile World by Steven J. Cole
JOY FROM THE PITS 1 Peter 1:6-9 by Steven J. Cole
The Suffering Servant: Isaiah 53 by Chaim
The Lord Jesus Christ, the Suffering Servant Isaiah 52:13 – 53:12 by David Linden
In God’s Waiting Room “Learning Through Suffering” by Lehman Strauss, Litt.D., F.R.G.S.

Cheer Up, My Comrades by C.H. Spurgeon
Beloved, and yet Afflicted C.H. Spurgeon
The Divine Refuge by Charles Spurgeon
Suffering and Consolation by Charles Spurgeon
Cure for Heart-Ache by Charles Spurgeon
Joy in Life’s Hard Times by Charles Spurgeon
Liberty from the Fear of Death by Charles Spurgeon
Seasons of Darkness by Charles Spurgeon

Dealing with Suffering by John MacArthur
The Lessons from Suffering by John MacArthur
Facing the Future Without Fear by John MacArthur
Hope: An Anchor for the Future by John MacArthur
CNN LARRY KING WEEKEND — “September 11: Where Was God?” Aired September 29, 2001 – 9 pm ET with John MacArthur
Glory Through Suffering (1 Peter 2:21a) by John MacArthur
The Suffering Jesus: An Example for Every Christian (1 Peter 2:21b-23)
The Suffering Jesus: Our Substitute and Shepherd (1 Peter 2:24-25)
The Triumph of Christ’s Suffering (Part 1) (1 Peter 3:18a)
The Triumph of Christ’s Suffering (Part 2) (1 Peter 3:18b-20a)
The Triumph of Christ’s Suffering (Part 3) (1 Peter 3:20b-22)

More by John MacArthur
The Christian’s Duty in a Hostile World–Part 1 (1 Peter 4:7)
The Christian’s Duty in a Hostile World–Part 2 (1 Peter 4:7b-9)
The Christian’s Duty in a Hostile World–Part 3 (1 Peter 4:10-11)
The Fiery Trial–Part 1 (1 Peter 4:12-14)
The Fiery Trial–Part 2 (1 Peter 4:15-19)
The Christian’s Duty in a Hostile World–Part 1 (1 Peter 4:7a) STUDY GUIDE
The Christian’s Duty in a Hostile World–Part 2 (1 Peter 4:7b-9) STUDY GUIDE
The Christian’s Duty in a Hostile World–Part 3 (1 Peter 4:10-11) STUDY GUIDE
The Fiery Trial–Part 1 (1 Peter 4:12-14) STUDY GUIDE
The Fiery Trial–Part 2 (1 Peter 4:15-19) STUDY GUIDE

SERIES: The God Of All Comfort by Pastor David Legge
The God Of All Comfort
A Plan And Purpose In Our Pain

SERIES: As Sparks Flying Upward by Pastor David Legge
The Agonies Of Abraham
The Life Journey Of Jacob
The Jeopardy Of Joseph Pt1
The Jeopardy Of Joseph Pt2
The Exhaustion Of Elijah
Job’s Enigma
The Pain Of Paul

Does God Suffer?
Can God Suffer? Professor Gerald Bray
Divine Impassibility: Why Is It Suffering? By Paul Helm Emeritus Professor, University of London
How Does a Sovereign God Love? by John Piper
God Without Mood Swings Recovering the Doctrine of Divine Impassibility by Phillip R. Johnson
The Immutability of God by John MacDuff

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Why Didn’t God Stop the Process Before it Started, if He Knew of the Massive Suffering that Would Befall His Creatures? by Glenn Miller
Implications from Suffering, for the Character of God by Glenn Miller

Sickness by J. C. Ryle
Glorifying God in the Fire by George Whitefield
Why Christians Suffer by J. Hampton Keathley III
Good News For The Afflicted

Ministering to the Terminally Ill Rev Michael DeVries

Sermons By William Guthrie From:
Sermons in Times of Persecution in Scotland

Study Guide: “Benefiting from Life’s Trials” by John MacArthur
“The Purpose of Trials” (Selected Scriptures)
“From Trouble to Triumph–Part 1” (James 1:2, 12)
“From Trouble to Triumph–Part 2” (James 1:2-4)
“From Trouble to Triumph–Part 3” (James 1:5-12)
“Whose Fault is our Temptation?” (James 1:13-17)
“Born to Holiness” (James 1:18

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/topic/suffering.

By P. G. Mathew, M.A., M.Div., Th.M. (5-part Series on Suffering)
Persecution
Documents on the Persecution of the Early Church from Original Sources
Essay on Persecution The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
Their Blood Cries Out: Persecution of Christians Growing by Paul Marshall
Disciples of Christ Must Expect Persecution Jeremiah Burroughs (1599-1646)
The Christian and Persecution David Martyn Lloyd-Jones (1899-1981)
Scriptures Regarding Persecution/Overcoming Faith

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These questions where asked in a forum I visit. WHAT ABOUT SUICIDE? Can it be forgiven? Is it not written that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, is the only unpardonable sin? The questionnaire has yet to answer the questions himself, but his questions prompted this response and I would like to share it so that other may share it freely if they so wish. The questionaire advocates salvation by works.
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It always saddens me to see those that advocate “self salvation” to bring up suicide. It is always served with a generous portion of apathy and contempt for those who do commit suicide, and even those who are depressed to the point of considering it. There will always be someone that defines suicide as murder and try to state that murderers cannot be forgiven and end up in God’s heaven. The reasoning goes if you can save yourself you can likewise condemn your self. But the bible says that “all” are condemned already. From that we must be rescued.

But what does the bible say about murderers? It says they shall not have a place in God’s heaven. But when the Spirit of the new law of Christ says that we are ALL murders if we get angry at our brothers for no reason, it kind of levels the playing field huh? Like it or not we are all murderers! Have you not heard that if you break one of Gods laws you have broken them all?

Do you think King David will be forgiven his adultery and murder? How can a murderer be a “man after gods own heart”? I submit to you YES and that it is because David realized that “in him” was no good thing and long before he had anyone physically murdered, he had said in his heart “RACCA” ( not deserving of forgiveness) in anger against his brothers and had already committed murder. Just like Abraham, David was justified in Gods site by faith and blessed is the man to whom God will not impute sin.

The “self salvation” folks show their spiritual maturity to be null and void when they take the line of reasoning that people who commit suicide cannot be saved. The see no value at all in the prefacing suffering. They would even ridicule ‘Christian suffering” and sport a bumper sticker that says “to blessed to be depressed”. They would look upon those that are not like wise “to blessed to be depressed” as beneath them and possibly not even real Christians. But the question is “what does the bible say about depression?”.

Some folks need to do a word study on suffer & suffering! Christ said we must share in his sufferings. Jesus is called the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 42:1-4. Isa 53:3 says of Jesus “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.” Jesus said we like him shall suffer for his names sake. Paul shared in Christ sufferings. He often said he wished to be absent from the body and to die was gain and preferred. He only wished to hang around for the sake of those whom he had been given charge over (us gentiles and the churches he had planted).

Christ suffered and said my God my God why has though forsaken me? Remove this cup from me if possible. What was that cup? It was the cup of suffering! It is safe to say that in Jesus humanity he was depressed and not jumping for joy. But he went to that cross anyway because of the joy that would come from it afterwards. It was what he was sent to do!!! Do you partake of the cross and the cup of suffering?

Elijah spent three days under the juniper tree thinking about killing himself. Only a divinely sent visit from an angel with a good meal (from heaven) got him physically strong enough to get out from under that Juniper tree and want to live again. He did finally go and face the threat of murder but lets not forget that without divine intervention Elijah would have been finished under that juniper tree. And lets not forget Job who is counted among the numerous bible figures to say “it would have been better for me to not have been born !!!”

Imagine this !!!. You cannot grow if you only have one “mountain top” experience after another. You only grow in dependence on God and spiritual maturity in the valleys of despair and helplessness. We are clay and He is the potter. How quickly we forget that if clay had feelings, it would hurt the clay to be molded and formed into something. How quickly we become unsympathetic towards the clay.

Suffering will make us or break us. Wounds are ways to reveal us! The real us!!! Suffering, and the way we respond to it, will show us where we are at in our walk with God. Can a wild horse be tamed unless it is first broken? Can a servant of God make a good servant unless he is first broken and made into something else?

I realize that some do not have the temperament disposition to get depressed often. But even those less prone to depression will have valley experiences too. Life is not all fun and games ya know. Life is painful. More so to some than others. To live is Christ to die is gain. I’m so tired and so weary but I must go on. Till the Lord come and takes, takes me away. There will be no sadness , no sorrow, no trouble I see. There will be peace in the valley for me ! someday !!!

I believe that some that commit suicide are deranged and delusional and are not really aware of what they are doing. But I believe that most that commit suicide are just tired of living and hopeless. Kind of like when an 80 yr old man loses his companion and he just turns his will to live off and dies shortly afterwards. Is that suicide also???

But I hate to be the one to tell some of you, but suicide can be the biggest act of faith ever. I don’t buy into the idea that a Christian will commit suicide just because he is sick of living this life. If a Christian commits suicide, yes he is tired of living this life but he does not expect to just end it and life is over, he expects to fall into the loving arms of his savior and to be face to face immediately.

It is never Gods will for anyone to commit suicide. Yes Jesus told Judas to go do what he had to do but it was Judas’s will to die. Jesus did not hang him there. I don’t think Judas was in his right mind. After all he betrayed the one that loved him. That would be called “grieved to death” if you ask me.

It is really disparaging to interact with people who would have shunned Jesus in his moments of trail in the Garden of Gethsemane. People like to play with words and try to say killing is murder. Consider this, Jesus knew he was to be taken and crucified, he said so before Judas betrayed him. Since Jesus knew he was to be crucified, did he commit suicide or self murder because he did not flee but went willingly to the cross?

Can you really know how God feels unless you too have been scorned and utterly rejected by the ones you love? Ask Hosea!! Would it destroy your faith to know that God too gets depressed and is very empathetic to those who are depressed and broken ?

Blessed are the meek and the broken hearted. For theirs is the kingdom of God!!!

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Dear Damon, In the last 6 weeks I have heard of 3 suicides in our area……. I cannot tell you how this has blessed me. One of these persons have greatly broken up a co-worker since he is the Uncle of the one who killed himself. I was beside myself. This has really been helpful to me. I have wept and wept and wept over these lives. Two I believed with all my heart, were truly born again. One would travel extensively to third world countries and contracted some sort of mind disease. (I forget the name of it.) I had a cousin years ago (not in the last 6 weeks) but several years ago (5 to be exact) that actually gave all he had to the Lord. I often wondered about him. I pray that God deeply touches your heart as much as this post has touched mine. It brought me peace. Thank you so much. Anonymous ( The writer has not given me permission to divulge their name)

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