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		<description><![CDATA[The following was submitted to my second favorite apologetics ministry Apologetics315, it is about my most favorite apologetics site, how I started an apologetics program at my church and will be featured here along with many other fabulous testimonies and resources to help you get apologetics into your church. ________________________________ Hello there, my name is [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4381259&#038;post=2829&#038;subd=how2becomeachristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>The following was submitted to my second favorite apologetics ministry <a href="http://www.apologetics315.com" target="_blank">Apologetics315</a>, it is about my most favorite apologetics site, how I started an apologetics program at my church and will be <a href="http://www.apologetics315.com/2012/05/how-to-get-apologetics-in-your-church-2_828.html" target="_blank">featured here</a> along with many other fabulous testimonies and resources to help you get apologetics into your church.<br />
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<p>Hello there, my name is Damon Whitsell. I am a member of, and now long dreamed of Apologetics teacher at, <a href="http://gcbcdayton.com/">Grace Community Baptist Church</a> in Dayton Texas.</p>
<p>Although I have studied General and Christian Cult Apologetics since 1985 and have been DOING Apologetics online and in life since 1998 because I have Mormons, Oneness Pentecostals, Word of Faithers and Bible Missionaries in my family &#8211; I was kind of intimidated when I first thought the Lord was leading me to start an Apologetics class at my church. Because of that I just set out to start an Apologetics Movie Night, possibly in someone’s home or at church on a weeknight.</p>
<p>When I went to looking for DVD resources I found Aplologetics315’s “How To Get Apologetics In Your Church” list of testimonies <a href="http://www.apologetics315.com/2010/09/how-to-get-apologetics-in-your-church.html">here</a> and <a href="http://www.apologetics315.com/2012/05/how-to-get-apologetics-in-your-church-2_828.html">here</a>. I found them epically helpful and thought a full blown class was very possible. I really liked some of the suggestions and even considered writing my own curriculum but I am deep into studying to try to become an effective public speaker on the dangers of Islam, so I had to find the easiest way possible. That is when I found <a href="http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=116&amp;Itemid=99">Charlie Campbell</a> and <a href="http://www.alwaysbeready.com/">AlwaysBeReady.com</a>. Here is how that very valuable resource helped me start a full blown apologetics program at our church. I believe going the ALWAYS BE READY route is so simple, someone who knows nothing about apologetics can start a complete apologetics program at their church.</p>
<p>I did four core things to get started. I bought a <a href="http://alwaysbeready.mybigcommerce.com/contending-for-the-faith-24-dvds-charlie-campbells-best-selling-dvds-in-one-case/">24 pack of Apologetics DVD’s in one case</a>, a <a href="http://alwaysbeready.mybigcommerce.com/contending-for-the-faith-the-complete-collection-27-dvds-in-individual-cases/">27 Pack with the same DVD’s, plus two more, in their own cases</a>, a bulk order of 30 of one of Charlies books “<a href="http://alwaysbeready.mybigcommerce.com/one-minute-answers-to-skeptics-top-forty-questions/">One Minute Answers To Skeptics Top 40 Questions</a>” and I created a <a href="http://graceapologetics.com/">website</a>. Charlies whole website is awesome really. Here is how I used these resources.<br />
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I keep the 24 DVD’s in one case and we replaced our Sunday evening discipleship class with a DVD viewing class from 5pm to 6:30pm. I preview/review the video each week, say a little bit beforehand and field questions afterwards. But because of the quality of Charlie’s teaching and video content (samples clips can be seen on <a href="http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=116&amp;Itemid=99">Charlies site</a> and Youtube, although some on YT are not as high of quality), there are relatively few questions asked as Charlie usually answers most of the questions later that pop up in your mind while viewing the DVD’s. It was much easier than I thought it would be and does not eat too much into my Islam study and counter-jihad time, as Charlie has his notes for almost all the DVD’s available at <a href="http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=116&amp;Itemid=99">his site</a>. I also purchased 3 prong folders with blank notebook paper and a header page with a 16 week schedule on it. I also print Charlie’s notes for everyone each week. They really enjoy it, as I do, and our class has as many attending as our <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/what-we-do/the-theology-program/">Theology Program</a> (more on that below). We now have a 16 week class that we plan on repeating over and over. And we are starting an 8 week class for our high-school youth using the best and most foundational of those DVD’s.</p>
<p>I turned the 27 pack of DVD’s in individual cases into our Apologetics DVD Library and that is really really popular. Our people are learning allot and one young autistic man is shining and will do great things for God one day. I got a plastic box for filing papers and it is perfect to be THE BOX for our DVD’s. I put labels on the DVD’s and their cases to keep them together easily, a list of the DVD titles on the outside of THE BOX so we all know what DVDs we have, and I require a phone number, if possible, to check DVD’s out. This proved essential when someone left our church and I had to call to get a DVD returned. I keep a sign-out notebook in THE BOX and at first I was taking THE BOX home with me and bringing it to church on Wednesdays and Sundays. But now members can return and check out DVD’s from our secretary, although I still carry THE BOX with me most of the time. When telling the congregation about the DVD library I would say “for those of you who don’t know me yet, I’m Damon and you can just call me the GUY WITH THE BOX”. It really helped everyone learn my name and I eventually learned theirs even though I am really bad with names.</p>
<p>Each Student got a folder to take notes and keep Charlie’s notes in, and a copy of the great and quick reference resource book “<a href="http://alwaysbeready.mybigcommerce.com/one-minute-answers-to-skeptics-top-forty-questions/">One Minute Answers To Skeptics Top 40 Questions</a>”. The books have been passed around the congregation and 8 have been given away to others outside of our church by those who received them, because they either wanted a friend or family member to read them, or they was asked to loan the book out by someone. I paid for everything up-front but the church reimbursed me the around 500 dollars. So when asked how much the books were, I said they were free, even though most tried to give me the 5 dollars, or so, they cost at bulk rate. We are now buying another bulk order of the books for our upcoming apologetics class for our high-school youth. The only bad thing from my perspective about these books, Charlie and his ministry, is the Lordship Salvation (LS) issue. Mr. Cambell is a LS believer and that means he defines repentance differently than we do. Because of this I got <a href="http://www.gotquestions.org/repentance.html">an article on Repentance</a> approved by my pastor to clarify a few things Charlie says and attached the article to the inside of the books. On the new purchase of 30 I will be putting labels inside saying the book is a gift from our church and a bit about our classes, so if the books are given away, the people who receive them will know about our church and the total educational program available to them there.</p>
<p>I have experience building websites so I made a website @ <a href="http://graceapologetics.com/">GraceApologetics.com</a> for advanced apologetics. In Charlies first DVD, “<a href="http://alwaysbeready.mybigcommerce.com/defending-the-faith-the-importance-of-contending-for-the-truths-of-christianity-dvd/">DEFENDING THE FAITH: The Importance of Contending for the Truths of Christianity</a>”, he mentions website building as a way to DO apologetics by creating a site for yourself or others. He says it is a 5 minute process, and it is, but like he himself has done more to his site than that, you too can have a really nice full featured custom website pretty easily. Charlie recommends blogger but I am an ex-blogger user and now WordPress Fanatic. You can register at <a href="http://wp.com/">WP.com</a>, get a blog, select a theme and make minor customizations such as your own background and/or header. You can go a step further and spice up your sidebars with text, pics, pic links and text links, as I did on our apologetics website. All that is required is to Google how to embed pictures, make Picture Links and Text Links with HTML, and follow the instructions. You can go further and get someone to write some CSS code for further customizations to your themes appearance. Or you can self-host your website and buy a custom theme and even have more custom features and fancier designs if you hire a designer or developer . And it is not as expensive as you might think because of a high level of free-market competition. The options are almost unlimited but it is really easy to make and get started on a basic website at WP.com – in about 5 minutes. <a href="http://ithemes.com/tutorials/">Here are</a> some customization resources and WordPress basic operational tutorials. And if you decide <a href="http://ithemes.com/toolkit/how-to-build-a-website/">to self-host</a> I highly recommend <a href="http://hostgator.com/">HostGator.com</a> and <a href="http://ithemes.com/">Ithemes.com</a> for themes. We are turning our blog into a group-blog to give students an avenue to DO apologetics in the public square, online. Instructions on how to do that are <a href="http://en.support.wordpress.com/user-roles/">here</a> and <a href="http://en.support.wordpress.com/adding-users/">here</a>. The young man with autism I mentioned earlier will be my first co-group-blogger. He does outstanding study, research and writing, and I am very happy to help him learn how to operate WordPress to publish them and provide him with his first avenue to do so. I think investing in him will have many eternal benefits for both him and myself.</p>
<p>Getting things approved was relatively easy considering at the time I only had a close relationship with the Pastor. I bought the 24 pack in one case first, for myself, and gave the <a href="http://alwaysbeready.mybigcommerce.com/defending-the-faith-the-importance-of-contending-for-the-truths-of-christianity-dvd/">first video</a> to him to watch and told him of my plan. He watched three more of the videos and said run with it. He liked it allot and pushed it through the proper channels quickly. I cannot say how much doing this has helped me personally as I am now known by name to everyone and have developed at least five tight relationships so far because of starting and teaching these classes.</p>
<p>We are also doing a READ ALONG class for 3 young guys who just graduated high school that got into a little trouble and where banned from a previous general study class for our youth they were attending. I have developed relationships with all three of these guys and will be doing an 8 week class viewing DVD’s and reading Paul Littles “Know What You Believe” and “Know Why You Believe” classic apologetic combination. There will be a test to pass at the end, if they pass the church is buying them an all you can eat Pizza dinner. If not, we will do the class one more time. The church council for approval on that is now scheduled and the pastor and one of the deacons say it will surely get voted in. And the deacon said he will even pay for the books if funds are not appropriated because of current financial hard-times at the church.</p>
<p>As far as promotion, all I did was have the pastor speak about it from the Pulpit, he even gave a few apologetics based sermons. And he announced the start of the class for several weeks preceding the beginning of the class, and periodically afterwards. For about the first 6 weeks I put up flyers in the church saying a little bit about that weeks specific subject matter and giving the DVD title. I did the same with the Church sign/marquee.</p>
<p>So what we have now is an always repeating 16 week class for everyone, a twice a year 8 week class for high-school youth, a onetime 8 week class for our 3 young recently out of high-schoolers, an Apologetics Library and I am almost certainly fixing to live my dream and will be teaching a class on Islam. I am sure many things will change and one day I hope to also teach a class on the Word of Faith (WoF) Movement too because that is one of my areas of past deep study. We will be videoing and youtubing the Read Along, Islam and WoF classes. We are considering hosting an Apologetics Conference to spread the love of, and need for, Apologetics to other churches in our community. And because we do all this learning emphasizing evangelism, we hope to reach our community and touch the world for Christ too.</p>
<p>Along with our Apologetics Program, Theology Program, and other classes, it is possible that we have the best total educational program in town now that we have started an apologetics program. We have Theology to know WHAT WE BELIEVE and Apologetics to know WHY WE BELIEVE what we believe. And now we are ALWAYS READY to defend the historical orthodox faith that we believe in. I have advocated <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/what-we-do/the-theology-program/">The Theology Program</a> for about 6 years after I decided to purchase the program for myself instead of returning to Bible College. It is the best learning resource I have ever found. It is rightfully billed a “Seminary For You”. You can find an interview with its founder <a href="http://www.apologetics315.com/2012/03/theology-interview-c-michael-patton.html">Michael Patton here on Aplogetics315</a> . Please take a look to see if it will be perfect for you and your church too.</p>
<p>I prayerfully hope this testimony, idea and reources will help someone, as I was amazed at just how easy and well the ALWAYS BE READY route worked out for me and my church. It is possibly the best thing I have ever done for my spiritual life with my Lord also. Myself and our Church has reaped many benefits and it looks like long term reaping ahead of us. My Pastor said this will probably help us build a larger membership in the long run. It for sure has blessed and grown me. If I can be of any assistance to anyone just contact me @ damonw_25 (AT) yahoo.com</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and GOD BLESS and be with you as you do your part to better your church, community and the world for Christ by starting an apologetics class or program at your church. It really is that big and important of a thing.</p>
<p>Damon Whitsell<br />
The How2BecomeAChristian Apologetics Network<br />
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<p style="text-align:left;">Additional information:</p>
<p>The DVD Titles<br />
1. The Importance of Defending the Faith<br />
2. Evidence for the Existence of God<br />
3. All Roads Do Not Lead to God<br />
4. Evidence for the Bible<br />
5. An Examination of Apparent Contradictions in the Bible<br />
6. If God is Loving, Why is there Evil and Suffering?<br />
7. Hell Under Fire<br />
8. My Top Five Questions (renamed “How to Respond to Critics”)<br />
9. The Case for the Resurrection<br />
10. The Lost Tomb of Jesus<br />
11. Six Cures for the Fear of Evangelism<br />
12. Islam<br />
13. Jehovah’s Witnesses<br />
14. Mormonism<br />
15. Roman Catholicism<br />
16. The New Age Movement<br />
17. Judaism<br />
18. Buddhism<br />
19. The Emerging Church and the Battle for Truth<br />
20. The Deity of Christ<br />
21. Answers to Skeptics‘ Top Five Questions<br />
22. The End Times: Ten Upcoming Events in Bible Prophecy<br />
23. The Case for a Pretribulational Rapture<br />
24. The Second Coming, Preterism, and the Book of Revelation<br />
25. The Universe and the Love of God<br />
26. Reaching the Lost<br />
27. New! Wise Decision Making</p>
<p>Some questions effectively and concisely answered in the book.</p>
<p>1. What evidence do you have that there is a God?</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">2. What evidence do you have that the Bible is actually true?</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">3. Hasn&#8217;t the Bible undergone corruption as it was translated through the centuries?</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">4. What about those who have never heard about Jesus? Will they be condemned to Hell?</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">5. If God is so loving, why does He allow evil and suffering?</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">6. Does it really matter what people believe as long as they are sincere?</p>
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		<title>The &#8220;Church of Christ&#8221; Cult/Denomination Reduced To Absurdity by Damon Whitsell</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The title of this article was taken from an article that I wrote below entitled &#8220;Baptismal Regeneration (BR) Reduced To Absurdity&#8221;. Since, even though it is denied by CoCers with the use of semantics, BR is one of the foundations of the CoC, I thought the title would transfer over great. This post will be [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4381259&#038;post=2815&#038;subd=how2becomeachristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>The title of this article was taken from an article that I wrote below entitled &#8220;Baptismal Regeneration (BR) Reduced To Absurdity&#8221;. Since, even though it is denied by CoCers with the use of semantics, BR is one of the foundations of the CoC, I thought the title would transfer over great.</p>
<p>This post will be mostly text of debates between myself and several CoCers. To that simultaneous series of debates, this response was posted by a commenter named Ex-CoC, they said,,,,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;This is the most helpful information I have come across, I am a former coc, and have had doubts and confusion on the teachings. All the people who posted pro coc just made me feel a whole lot better I was far away from the lot of you. Damon you could afford to be a little more polite, I think but thanks at least I now know I wasnt crazy.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I responded to Ex-CoC with,,,,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Hi xCoC,,, I am glad it helped you visiting this site. let me give ya a couple of links I think you will like then I will tell ya why I will not try to be more polite to CoC’ers.</p>
<p>There is a brand new ex-coc book out that I found yesterday. Here is a sample</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=2OZ40dLil9wC&amp;dq=Inside+the+Churches+of+Christ:+The+Reflection+of+a+Former+Pharisee+On+What+Every+Christian+Should+Know+About+the+Nondenomination+Denomination&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=hDJIzeAdc6&amp;sig=VUMTzYjtsRMRPUo9C9hZItPgHLQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=sC7XSYqMNZHMMqLe2KwL&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1" rel="nofollow">LINK HERE</a></p>
<p>Here is where you can buy the whole thing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.authorhouse.com/Bookstore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=53683" rel="nofollow">http://www.authorhouse.com/Bookstore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=53683</a></p>
<p>This ex-coc member (<a href="http://www.chocd.org/home.html" rel="nofollow">he has a great site HERE</a>) is right when he says,,,”The Church of Christ denomination uses four main tactics in debating their pet doctrines. These tactics are generally used by all cultic groups. They are: 1. Change the subject 2. Take scripture out of context 3. Straw man arguments 4. Ad hominem attacks (attacking you instead of the issue).</p>
<p>I am lacking in politeness for a few reasons. But the most prominent one is that the CoC will use trollish tactics (meant just to get an emotional responce) and disregard the basics of logic and Logical Interchange (discussion). AND for those who have not had the pleasure of debating CoC for years as I have. People do fall for the twisting of Scriptures and sometimes it gets tough having to exchange with several people at once who’s only objective is to make you look bad and the CoC as the only one true church. AT ALL COST!!! and BY ANY MEANS!!</p>
<p>After all I am not on a CoC blog attacking them. They are guest here and will run no one over on my watch,,, especially me.. lol <img src="http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?m=1129645325g" alt=":)" /></p>
<p>The author of the above site says,,,”Scripture twisting is an art form that the CHOCD has mastered. The only other organizations that do it any better are the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons…which is nothing to be proud of.”</p>
<p>I have to politely dissagree. <img src="http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?m=1129645325g" alt=":)" /> The only cult I have more exposure to than the CoC is the Mormons. I have debated “Paid Mormon Scholars” and they are not as bad as the regular CoC folks,,, much less “CoC Scholars”.</p></blockquote>
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<p>What follows is highlights of several debates that went on for weeks. Many comments, of which there are 67 in total, where left out of this post for space and times sake but all the different exchanges can be seen here. <a href="http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/church-of-christ-cult-by-david-j-stewart/" target="_blank">CHURCH OF CHRIST CULT by David J. Stewart. </a>These debates contain links to many other CoC articles I have written, so even considering this post is very very long,, it will be worth your time if your a seeker,, or interested in what the CoC teaches and how they debate doctrines,, this will be worth your time to read,,, at least ex-CoC thought it was worth his time.</p>
<p>The first exchange is with &#8220;Efrem Williams&#8221;. After several post refuting Eframs attempts to set paramteters for the debate in his favor,, I first started to biblically address what Efram said with&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Hi Efram, Good to see ya back.</p>
<p>Yes I said the next move was yours. You say the scriptures speak for themselves, and yes they do. Your job is to prove that the 10 -15 verses that Baptismal rengerationist use to say baptism is required for salvation, actually mean that baptism saves. Specifically the ones you used in your first post. To do so you have to prove that the rest of the bible is WORTHLESS for salvation without those verses. Cause any cursory reading or in depth analysis of Scripture shows that atonement happened at the Cross and is applied to the believer WHEN HE BELIEVES. OT rituals was a foreshadow and TYPE of the crucifixion. JUST AS baptism is ONLY A TYPE (symbol) of the Atoning death of Jesus and his resurrection and thus our new life IN HIM.</p>
<p>My article here explores the Lunacy of Baptismal regeneration.</p>
<p>Water salvation/baptismal regeneration reduced to absurdity BY Damon Whitsell</p>
<p><a href="http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/water-salvationbaptismal-regeneration-reduced-to-absurdity-by-damon-whitsell/" rel="nofollow">http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/water-salvationbaptismal-regeneration-reduced-to-absurdity-by-damon-whitsell/</a></p>
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<p>Here are a few relevant post from this blog.</p>
<p>This thoroughly explains WHAT SALVATION IS and how it is accomplished and applied.</p>
<p>What is Justification? Is Justification</p>
<p><a href="http://how2becomeachristianinfoblog.com/2008/10/02/repost-what-is-justification-is-justification-salvation-" rel="nofollow">http://how2becomeachristianinfoblog.com/2008/10/02/repost-what-is-justification-is-justification-salvation-</a></p>
<p>This post contains OVER 160 verses that claim Justification (Salvation) is by faith alone. No water baptism or ANY human act of obedience. Even grace and faith are gifts. Here are the verses, they are all copied and pasted on the post.</p>
<p>Luke 7:48-50; 8:12; 18:42 John 1:7, 12; 2:23; 3:15, 16, 18, 36; 4:39; 4:41, 42; 5:24, 45-47; 6:29, 35, 40, 47; 7:38, 39; 8:24, 29, 30; 9:35-38; 10:24-26; 11:15, 25, 26, 41, 42; 12:36, 46; 13:19; 14:1-6, 17:20, 21; 19:35; 20:29, 31 Acts 3:16; 4:4, 32; 8:12, 37; 9:42; 10:43, 45; 11:17, 21; 13:21, 39; 14:1, 23, 27; 15:7, 9; 16:31; 17:4, 5, 11, 12; 18:8, 27; 19:4; 20:21; 21:25; 26:18 Romans 1:16, 17; 3:22, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30; 4:3, 5, 9, 11, 13, 16, 23, 24; 5:1, 2; 9:30, 32, 33; 10:4, 6, 9, 10; 11:20, 30-32; 15:13 1 Corinthians 1:21 2 Corinthians 4:4 Galatians 2:16, 20; 3:2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 14, 22, 24, 26; 5:5 Ephesians 1:13, 19; 2:8; 3:17 Philippians 1:29; 3:9 1 Thessalonians 1:7; 2:10; 4:14 2 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:12, 13; 3:2 1 Timothy 1:16; 3:16; 4:3, 10 2 Timothy 1:12; 3:15 Hebrews 4:2, 3; 6:12; 10:39; 11:6, 7, 31 James 2:23 1 Peter 1:21; 2:6, 7 1 John 5:1, 5, 10, 13 Jude 5</p>
<p>150+ Verses Proving Justification by Faith Alone: by J.B. Hixson, Th.M.</p>
<p><a href="http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/150-verses-proving-justification-by-faith-alone-by-jb-hixson-thm/" rel="nofollow">http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/150-verses-proving-justification-by-faith-alone-by-jb-hixson-thm/</a></p>
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<p>NOW WE WILL LOOK AT YOUR COMMENTS</p>
<p>YOU SAID “I will state plainly that the bible speaks of atonement both from the law of Moses and the doctrine of Christ, however the question to answered is how is ones sin atoned for? the atonement of the old testament came through daily rituals and sacrifices and one yearly atonement because sins were essentially rolled forward according to the law. as for the doctrine of Christ, our (Christians) sins are atoned for by being baptized into Christ, Romans 6:3-5. Jesus’ death created the way to reach that atonement, colossians 1:13, yet His death alone did not accomplish the saving of ones soul, acts 2:42. peter said in this verse, “save yourself”. Why would peter say that? Read the verse in its context.”</p>
<p>This just shows how much you don’t know the bible.</p>
<p>The bible says THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SIN without the shedding of blood. Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.</p>
<p>Of the OT rituals and sacrifices that you say atonement “came through”,,, THE BIBLE<br />
SAYS.</p>
<p>Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.</p>
<p>Heb 10:10-12 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;</p>
<p>And certainly if the ritual of shedding animal blood cannot remove sin. NIETHER CAN WATER.</p>
<p>SORRY CHARLIE,,, ONLY THE BLOOD OF JESUS SAVES. NOT WATER</p>
<p>Jesus’ blood ATONED FOR OUR SINS. (Rom. 3:25)<br />
Jesus’ blood established FORGIVENESS. (Matt. 26:28; Eph. 1:7; Heb. 9:18-22; Rev. 1:5)<br />
Jesus’ blood has granted us CLEANSING FROM SIN. (Heb. 9:14, 22; 1 John 1:7; Rev. 7:14)<br />
Jesus’ blood has given us JUSTIFICATION. (Rom. 5:9)<br />
Jesus’ blood has made us HOLY. (Heb. 13:11-12)<br />
Jesus’ blood has MADE PEACE with God for us. (Col. 1:20; Rom. 5:11; Eph. 2:16)<br />
Jesus’ blood has BROUGHT US NEAR to God. (Eph. 2:13)<br />
Jesus’ blood gives us CONFIDENCE to approach God. (Heb. 10:19)<br />
Jesus PURCHASED us with His blood. (Acts 20:28; Eph. 1:7; Heb. 9:12; 1 Pet. 1:18; Rev. 5:9)<br />
Jesus’ blood secured for us ETERNAL LIFE. (John 6:53-56)<br />
Jesus’ blood FREED US UP to obey God. (Heb. 9:12-14)</p>
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<p>YOU SAID “sins were essentially rolled forward according to the law.”</p>
<p>This is patently absurd. What is “rolled forward” supposed to mean. The Bible clearly says the LAW WAS FOR Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.</p>
<p>FAITH, NOT BAPTISM. The law is to increase sin so that grace may abound, AFTER ONE SEES HIS SINFULLNESS AND NEED FOR A SAVIOR. A SACRIFICE NOT a Roman Catholic ceremonial sacrament that has damned millions and the RCC killed millions because of.</p>
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<p>THEN YOU SAID “as for the doctrine of Christ, our (Christians) sins are atoned for by being baptized into Christ, Romans 6:3-5.”</p>
<p>Rom 6:3-5 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized Into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:</p>
<p>FUNNY this verse says NOTHING about atonement. TEXT WITHOUT CONTEXT IS PRETEXT. NO MENTION OF BLOOD Nothing but your preconceived notions due to your need to support your doctrine and HAVE A HAND in your own salvation.</p>
<p>The phrase “baptized into” means here “to identify with.” It cannot mean that baptism is the means by which we enter into union with Christ. This would be ritualistic communion and Paul in no way ever talked in you ritual was necessary in order to be saved.</p>
<p>Instead, Paul taught that baptism represented identification with Christ. BUT THE ACTUAL MEANS OF BEING “BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST” IS SPIRIT BAPTISM WHICH OCCURS at the moment of faith. ALL YOU baptismal regnerationist make the fatal mistake of applying water every time you see the word baptize, cleans, or wash.</p>
<p>1Co 10:1-2 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our Fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;</p>
<p>According to the Bible, you can be baptized without getting wet. These were all baptized into Moses. They were identified with Moses when they crossed that sea on dry ground, and they did not get wet at all.</p>
<p>There are so many people who, immediately when they see the word “baptism,” attach to it the idea of water baptism. But if you study the word of God, you’ll find out that most of the time when the word “baptism” is used, it is not talking about water baptism in any sense.</p>
<p>TO BE “IN CHRIST” is SPIRIT BAPTISM. Yeh I know most of you CoCers say that the Holy Spirit is NOT GOD and that He does not indwell believers. Clearly ONE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, NOT OF WATER as the first birth,,,,, BUT OF SPIRIT. Do you still marvel that YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN?</p>
<p>1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit</p>
<p>Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;</p>
<p>Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.</p>
<p>Rom 8:9-11 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. and if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.</p>
<p>1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in You?</p>
<p>1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?</p>
<p>1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.</p>
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<p>THEN YOU SAID “. Jesus’ death created the way to reach that atonement, colossians 1:13”</p>
<p>Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:</p>
<p>WHERE YOU GRABBING AT STRAWS? It says nothing about “Jesus death created the way to reach atonement” LOL</p>
<p>Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:</p>
<p>THROUGH HIS BLOOD NOT WATER</p>
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<p>THEN YOU SAID “ yet His death alone did not accomplish the saving of ones soul, acts 2:42. Peter said in this verse, “save yourself”. Why would peter say that? Read the verse in its context.”</p>
<p>Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.</p>
<p>Save yourselves (sōthēte). First aorist passive of sōzō. Literally, Be ye saved. – This Expression here denotes, preserve yourselves from the influence, opinions, and fate of this generation.</p>
<p>Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it.</p>
<p>Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.</p>
<p>Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.</p>
<p>CAN A MAN SAVE HIMSELF? If he could,, HE WOULD NOT NEED A SAVIOR.</p>
<p>Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.</p>
<p>YES YOU SHOULD READ ACTS 2:40 (EVEN ACTS 2:38) IN CONTEXT Because you DO NOT DO SO You falsely assume that the topic is water baptism for remission of sins.</p>
<p>BUT PETER TELLS CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY how salvation and remission of sins happen.</p>
<p>Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.</p>
<p>Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.</p>
<p>THEREFOR we know that Peters use of IES (the Greek preposition translated for) should be Rendered because of. AS THIS VERSION SHOWS Act 2:38 (ALT) Then Peter was saying to them, “Repent, and let each of you* be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, to [or, for; or, because of] [the] forgiveness of sins, and you* will receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>THIS POST DEALS WITH ACTS 2:38,,,,, at least watch the Greek grammar video CAUSE IT IS A SALVATION ISSUE!!!</p>
<p>Acts 2:38 Satan’s Favorite Bible Verse! w/ greek grammer VIDEO</p>
<p><a href="http://how2becomeachristianinfoblog.com/2008/10/24/acts-238-satans-favorite-bible-verse-w-greek-grammer-video/" rel="nofollow">http://how2becomeachristianinfoblog.com/2008/10/24/acts-238-satans-favorite-bible-verse-w-greek-grammer-video/</a></p>
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<p>NOW WE WILL LOOK AT YOUR USE OF SCRIPTURE IN YOUR FIRST POST.</p>
<p>YOU SAID “I sincerely hope that you read this. Baptism is not a work of man, it is the work of God. One submits to baptism according to Acts 2:38 and it does not have to be conducted by a coC minister,however Jesus Himself said to Nicodemus that a man must be born of water and of the Spirit. You see this coming to fruition throughout the book of acts. Every incidence of conversion was culminated in water baptism except one and that was in Acts 10 with the conversion of Cornelius. This was the first gentile conversion and the only reason Cornelius was given Gods spirit prior to water baptism was in fulfillment of the prophecy given by Isaiah that the gentiles would receive the righteousness of God and it was done to show the Jews that the gentiles were also accepted in this new convenant relationship as cleary explained by Peter in Acts 11. Paul confirms this when writing to the church at Rome when he said in Romans 6:3-5,”Know yea not that so many of us that were baptized in to Christ…Also peter said in I peter 3:18-19,that baptism was not a washing away of the flesh was an answer toward a good conscience toward God which denotes that man must respond to the grace of God which is in Christ Jesus. Also read Acts 15:1-5, when Paul ran across those that had not been properly taught and baptized ad how he corrected them. I pray you will continue your study and not lead many away form the truth of the bible.”</p>
<p>Nope THE WORK OF GOD IS Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.</p>
<p>AND “work of God” means that He does it, No man comes unless the Father draws him AND Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?</p>
<p>SALVATION IS OF THE LORD NOT MAN Jon 2:9</p>
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<p>YOU SAID “Jesus Himself said to Nicodemus that a man must be born of water and of the Spirit.”</p>
<p>I covered most of this already but maybe you need to see again the context and what Jesus meant.</p>
<p>Joh 3:3-8Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.</p>
<p>NOW WHAT DID JESUS MEAN. We are born in water in our mothers womb. Born by water is in response to “can a man enter the second time into his mothers womb”. Jesus tells him NO BEING BORN OF WATER IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.</p>
<p>YOU MUST BE BORN OF SPIRIT.</p>
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<p>THEN YOU SAID “Every incidence of conversion was culminated in water baptism except one and that was in Acts 10 with the conversion of Cornelius. This was the first gentile conversion and the only reason Cornelius was given Gods spirit prior to water baptism was in fulfillment of the prophecy given by Isaiah that the gentiles would receive the righteousness of God and it was done to show the Jews that the gentiles were also accepted in this new convenant relationship as cleary explained by Peter in Acts 11”</p>
<p>“Every incidence of conversion was culminated in water baptism except one and that was in Acts 10 with the conversion of Cornelius”</p>
<p>BUT THIS IS NOT TRUE,</p>
<p>Act 2:41-44 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common;</p>
<p>They gladly received His word and where THEN baptized. “ALL THAT BELIEVED” means ALL THAT BELIEVED not believed and baptized.</p>
<p>Act 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.</p>
<p>Act 8:36-38 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.</p>
<p>Notice that Phillip said “If thou believes thou mayest” Because he ALREADY BELIEVED and THEREFORE Phillip baptized the enuch.</p>
<p>Act 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.</p>
<p>AND PAUL CLEARLY DESTROYS THE IDEA THAT BAPTISM SAVES</p>
<p>1Co 1:17-19 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.</p>
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<p>THEN YOU SAID “ Paul confirms this when writing to the church at Rome when he said in Romans 6:3-5,”Know yea not that so many of us that were baptized in to Christ…Also peter said in I peter 3:18-19,that baptism was not a washing away of the flesh was an answer toward a good conscience toward God which denotes that man must respond to the grace of God which is in Christ Jesus.”</p>
<p>Romans 6:3-5 DOES NOT confirm your teaching that salvation come at baptism. But you should play close attention to terms such as “like as” “in the likeness of” This is clearly symbolical language. IF YOU WOULD JUST READ YOU NEXT “PROOFTEXT” YOU WOULD SEE THAT BAPTISM IS ONLY A SYMBOL.</p>
<p>1Pe 3:18-19 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;</p>
<p>NOTHING THERE AT ALL ABOUT BAPTISM. BUT I won’t hold 2 typos against you.</p>
<p>1Pe 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:</p>
<p>WHAT IS A “LIKE FIGURE” The like figureG499 G499 antitupon an-teet’-oo-pon<br />
Neuter of a compound of G473 and G5179; corresponding (“antitype”), that is, a representative, counterpart: – (like) figure (whereunto).</p>
<p>A “LIKE FIGURE” is an anti-type. NOT THE REAL THING. Water baptism is the antitype of Spiritual baptism and being “IN CHRIST” as was Noah saved by the ARK another antitype of being in Christ.</p>
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<p>THEN YOU SAID “ Also peter said in I peter 3:18-19,that baptism was not a washing away of the flesh was an answer toward a good conscience toward God which denotes that man must respond to the grace of God which is in Christ Jesus.”</p>
<p>It IS NOT the putting away of the filth of the flesh through water BUT it is the answer to a clear conscience that saves. How does a man clean his conscience?</p>
<p>Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,</p>
<p>Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?</p>
<p>WHAT IS DEAD WORKS ?</p>
<p>These two scriptures show the phrase “dead works” in context indicates that this means that man cannot be justified by the works of the law, but only by the blood of Jesus Christ. In other words “repentance from dead works” is the doctrine that we must repent from trusting in our own dead works to save us. Instead, we must trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.</p>
<p>Galatians 2:16 – “man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ… for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.”</p>
<p>Ephesians 2:8-9 – “not of works”</p>
<p>2 Timothy 1:9 – “not according to our works”</p>
<p>Titus 3:5 – “not by works of righteousness which we have done”</p>
<p>Romans 3:21-22 – “by the works of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight” Romans 4:4-5 – “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.”</p>
<p>Isaiah 64:6 – “all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags”</p>
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<p>THEN YOU SAID “ Also read Acts 15:1-5, when Paul ran across those that had not been properly taught and baptized ad how he corrected them.”</p>
<p>Act 15:1-5And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.</p>
<p>WOW ANOTHER CASE OF CONTEXTAMONY and NOT ONE WORD about baptism. NOT EVEN IN THE WHOLE CHAPTER.</p>
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<p>Real Churches say Believe and be saved, then be baptized. CULTS SAY BE BAPTIZED TO BE SAVED. It is by far NOT a misnomer to call the CoC a CULT. It teaches what ALMOST EVERY CULT TEACHES Baptismal regeneration, saved by water. Mormons, Seventh day Adventist, Jehovahs witness and many more cults BELIEVE JUST AS the CoC on baptism. Except each says that only Baptism IN THEIR church saves.</p>
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<p>Well lets see. You use Scripture out of context, Quote scripture that don’t even mention what your talking about, and only about half of them are typos.</p>
<p>AND YET YOU HAVE DONE NOTING BUT SHOW THAT YOUR STILL NOT SAVED BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT TRUSTED IN JESUS FINISHED WORK THROUGH FAITH ALONE.</p>
<p>Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.</p>
<p>Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.</p>
<p>Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.</p>
<p>Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.</p>
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<p>The following verses demonstrate the basic principle of the complete and finished nature of Christ’s work:</p>
<p>Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.</p>
<p>Romans 5:19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.</p>
<p>Colossians 2:10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;</p>
<p>These verses state the complete results or conclusion:</p>
<p>Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their iniquities, And I will remember their sins no more.</p>
<p>Hebrews 10:17-18 And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more. 18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.</p>
<p>Isaiah 44:22 I have wiped out your transgressions like a thick cloud, And your sins like a heavy mist. Return to Me, for I have redeemed you.</p>
<p>Psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.</p>
<p>Micah 7:19 He will again have compassion on us; He will tread our iniquities under foot. Yes, Thou wilt cast all their sins Into the depths of the sea.</p>
<p>Isaiah 38:17 Lo, for my own welfare I had great bitterness; It is Thou who hast kept my soul from the pit of nothingness, For Thou hast cast all my sins behind Thy back.</p>
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<p>DO YOU STILL NOT BELIEVE CHRIST DOES IT ALL? HAVE YOU BEEN BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT? HAVE YOU REPENTED OF YOUR “DEAD WORKS”?</p>
<p>Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.</p>
<p>Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.</p>
<p>Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have<br />
given thee living water.</p></blockquote>
<p>Efram responded with&#8230;..</p>
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<blockquote><p>First, i understand typology and yes, the OT sacrifices was a type pointing to the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus, however baptism was a “type” from Exodus 14:22,30 as the Israelites pass through the sea pointing to the baptism one must recievs today for the remission of sins.. We know this because Paul clearly stated this in I Corinthians 10:1-4 of the baptism that would occur during the reign of Christ, which Christians now live.</p>
<p>Next, you stated many scriptures about the blood of Christ and that ‘it’ saves. This was never in dispute. The question is, how does one come in contact with the blood of Christ? You never addressed that issue. you assert that One is predestined</p></blockquote>
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<p>My responce was&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi again Efram</p>
<p>YOU SAID” The question is, how does one come in contact with the blood of Christ? You never addressed that issue.”</p>
<p>It was thoroughly dealt with. I have some things to do,,,,,,,, but I will return to decipher and unravel your continued obfuscations tonight or tomorrow.</p>
<p>Thanks Damon</p></blockquote>
<p>Then Efram flooded the post with comments after I asked him repeatedly to wait for me to respond to his last accusation,, so I banned Efram.</p>
<p>The nest CoC debater up was Cris Jesse. He started with&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p>One must fight tooth and nail if they are to stand against what God has declared He will do at baptism.</p>
<p>I’m curious, what exactly do you think baptism accomplishes Damon? Do you believe that it should be removed from the Bible? If not, then why did God put it there (please have verses to back up this answer)?</p>
<p>If one takes every verse that mentions baptism, and lists everything that the BIBLE says is linked to baptism, what would that look like Damon?</p>
<p>I was hesitant to post here because you seem to speak with a bloodlust and not compassion for those you feel are lost. But love hopes all things, endure all things, so I figured I should post anyway.</p>
<p>Thank you Efrem for standing up for the truth. And thank you Damon for being willing to open the Bible in this discussion, I’m still looking forward to it.</p></blockquote>
<p>My first response was&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p>Chris,,, You say that I would have to work hard to stand against what God has taught about baptism. Well don’t just assert your so called truth about baptism with a few subjective rhetorical statements that are meant to appeal to piety. PROVE YOUR POINT.</p>
<p>I will be waiting for ya’lls next move. Let the readers see how to do the CoC circular reasoning shuffle. OF ALL cults I have interacted with over the years. NO ONE uses straw men arguments, diversion tactics, changing the subject and other logical fallacies MORE THAN THE COC.</p>
<p>I am sure we will all be entertained for awhile. I will dance with you guys for a few songs.</p></blockquote>
<p>Chris responded with&#8230;</p>
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<blockquote><p>Damon,</p>
<p>you said:</p>
<p>“TO BE “IN CHRIST” is SPIRIT BAPTISM. Yeh I know most of you CoCers say that the Holy Spirit is NOT GOD and that He does not indwell believers.”</p>
<p>I’ve never run into “CoCers” who say this, though I do not doubt you have. I know there are groups out there that call themselves by the name CoC and are not in fact His Church. But please be careful not to give the impression that all who use that name fall into whatever group it is you are talking about. The congregation I’m at uses the name “Church of Christ”, though we also use any other name in the Bible to describe ourselves. We certainly believe that the Holy Spirit is God.</p>
<p>We also believe that one recieves salvation at the point of baptism, but only by the power of Christ’s blood (not by the water). We do not teach that anything but the blood of Christ can impart salvation. But that does not mean that one should lump us into the same group as all others who link salvation and baptism.</p>
<p>Regarding 1 Peter 3:20-21- You brought out the term “like figure”. Can you please, by the grammer rules of greek, show what this term is directly linked to in the passage?</p></blockquote>
<p>My responce was&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi Chris, Notice I said MOST. Out of about 20 CoC members I have interacted with, all but 2-3 Deny the deity of the HS. Several of them go as far as to Personify the Bible as the HS to do so. AS shown in my post here.</p>
<p>PUTTING GOD IN A BOX , the result of the personification of the bible as the Holy Spirit. By Damon Whitsell</p>
<p><a href="http://how2becomeachristianinfoblog.com/2008/08/26/putting-god-in-a-box-the-result-of-the-personification-of-the-bible-as-the-holy-spirit-by-damon-whitsell/" rel="nofollow">http://how2becomeachristianinfoblog.com/2008/08/26/putting-god-in-a-box-the-result-of-the-personification-of-the-bible-as-the-holy-spirit-by-damon-whitsell/</a></p>
<p>ALOTTA FOLKS CLAIM THE NAME Church of Christ. There is the Church of Christ Scientist, Iglesia ni Cristo, AND The Church of Christ which Joseph Smith called the “Church of Christ” for about 20 years before he changed it,,,,, and about 12 years before Alexander Campbell first used the name,,,,,,</p>
<p>The first congregation in this movement to take the name “Church of Christ” was established in June of 1834 at Knob Creek, in southern Graves County, Kentucky. This church is still in active existence. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_Movement#Early_churches" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_Movement#Early_churches</a></p>
<p>YOU SAID “ We also believe that one recieves salvation at the point of baptism, but only by the power of Christ’s blood (not by the water). We do not teach that anything but the blood of Christ can impart salvation’</p>
<p>My post emphatically shows that salvation happens at the POINT OF SAVING FAITH. Exactly what the list of 160 + verses I listed show. NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY you clearly teach that water saves. OR AS YOU PUT IT ‘Imparts salvation”. If salvation happens at baptism, then the mode and substance of “Imparting salvation” or apllying salvation is WATER.</p>
<p>You can dance in semantical circles all day long. IT WON’T CHANGE THE FACT that you teach grace plus obedience, and atonement by blood ONLY WITH WATER.</p>
<p>AS to your question. If you asking to what is the antecedent to,,,, and in reference when citing “LIKE FIGURE”</p>
<p>The antecedent is NOT CLEAR. Because the Greek word for “LIKE FIGUE” antitupon is in the neutered Gender and so is it’s preposition “HO” the term LIKE FIGURE could GRAMMATICALL point to either the ARC of Noah or Water. But common sense and logic shows that they WHERE NOT SAVED BY THE WATER. They where saved BY BEING “IN” THE ARC, which is THE like figure of being “in” Christ.</p>
<p>WHY WOULD YOU ASK If you don’t think water saves?</p>
<p>byG1223 water.G5204 THIS SHOULD BE RENDERED “THROUGH“ water.</p>
<p>G1223 dia dee-ah’<br />
A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal or occasional). In composition it retains the same general import: – after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause) . . . fore, from, in, by occasion of, of, by reason of, for sake, that, thereby, therefore, X though, through (-out), to, wherefore, with (-in). In composition it retains the same general import.</p>
<p><strong>1Pe 3:20 TRANSLATION COMPARISON</strong></p>
<p>(ALT) having formerly refused to believe, when the patience of God kept eagerly waiting in [the] days of Noah, while an ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;</p>
<p>(ASV) that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:</p>
<p>(CEV) They had disobeyed God while Noah was building the boat, but God had been patient with them. Eight people went into that boat and were brought safely through the flood.</p>
<p>(EMTV) who formerly disobeyed, when the longsuffering of God was waiting in the days of Noah, when the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;</p>
<p>(ESV) because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.</p>
<p>(HNV) who before were disobedient, when God waited patiently in the days of Noach, while the teivah was being built. In it, few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water</p>
<p>(MKJV) to disobeying ones, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared (in which a few, that is, eight souls were saved through water);</p>
<p>(MSG) because they wouldn’t listen. You know, even though God waited patiently all the days that Noah built his ship, only a few were saved then, eight to be exact–saved from the water by the water.</p>
<p>(Murdock) which were formerly disobedient, in the days of Noah, when the long suffering of God commanded an ark to be made, in hope of their repentance; and eight souls only entered into it, and were kept alive in the waters.<br />
(WNT) who in ancient times had been disobedient, while God’s longsuffering was patiently waiting in the days of Noah during the building of the Ark, in which a few persons–eight in number–were brought safely through the water.</p>
<p>(YLT) who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah–an ark being preparing–in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;</p></blockquote>
<p>Chris responded with&#8230;..</p>
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<blockquote><p>Damon,</p>
<p>First regarding the CoC name. People lump me in the “restoration movement”. But it’s only partly so. As far as I know what I believe from God’s word lines up with much of what is believed by the “restoration movement” group. I fellowship with them. But I do not use that term, I simply belong to Christ. And of those who would be considered part of the “restoration movement”, none of them that I’ve met say that the Holy Spirit is not God, and none of them say He does not dwell within us, and none of them limit His working to only through the Bible.</p>
<p>I would ask you to consider looking deeper into those who use the name “CoC” or even those who would say they are part of the “restoration movement”. Your post here would tell the world that anyone who uses these terms is just like the people you’ve encountered. And that’s far from the truth. I’m not speaking to your motives for this, I don’t know them for sure. I am rather pointing out a truth about a people that seems to not have crossed your path until now.</p>
<p>In regards to the “restoration movement” specifically. I should clarify that, though I agree that we should be the Church as it was at first (as Jesus made it and as the Bible declares it to be), i think it is dangerous to call oneself after a “movement”. We are to obey Christ, not the attempts of fallen man. The goal of the restoration movement (as I understand it) is a good one. But only in so far as it brings those who’ve strayed from God back to Him. So with all that said, I will not submit to the restoration movement as any authority over me. I submit to Christ.</p>
<p>Concerning 1 Peter 3. I ask about the term “like figure” not because I’m debating whether it points to the ark or water. I ask because you said a couple posts back that the passage is saying that baptism is an antitype…</p>
<p>“A “LIKE FIGURE” is an anti-type. NOT THE REAL THING. Water baptism is the antitype of Spiritual baptism and being “IN CHRIST” as was Noah saved by the ARK another antitype of being in Christ. ”</p>
<p>The problem I’m having with that is that, as you said, the term “like figure” is pointing backwards (towards either the Arc of Noah or water), but it is not pointing to baptism. That’s the way I’ve always understood the passage, and your own description of the greek only supports it. And if that’s the case then baptism would be the real thing and Noah’s ark would be the anti-type.</p>
<p>If I’m missing your point please clarify. There is a lot of stuff to follow with all the long replies. I’m trying to deal with one passage at a time so I don’t get lost.</p></blockquote>
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<p>AND&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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<blockquote><p>Regarding this…</p>
<p>**YOU SAID “ We also believe that one recieves salvation at the point of baptism, but only by the power of Christ’s blood (not by the water). We do not teach that anything but the blood of Christ can impart salvation’</p>
<p>My post emphatically shows that salvation happens at the POINT OF SAVING FAITH. Exactly what the list of 160 + verses I listed show. NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY you clearly teach that water saves. OR AS YOU PUT IT ‘Imparts salvation”. If salvation happens at baptism, then the mode and substance of “Imparting salvation” or apllying salvation is WATER.</p>
<p>You can dance in semantical circles all day long. IT WON’T CHANGE THE FACT that you teach grace plus obedience, and atonement by blood ONLY WITH WATER.**</p>
<p>I would like to discuss this further, but after we’ve been able to better consider 1 Peter 3. This discussion has become a jumbled mess, and miscommunication is going to be a problem.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I responded with&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi again Chris, Hey thanks for coming back and asking questions. I feel your question is handily answered in my post above. One type looks forward, the other backwards.</p>
<p>Your comment here sent of flood of thought responses into my brain. I will have to take some time to digest the thoughts and try to briefly summarize them. My response will probably still be lengthy.</p>
<p>I have some things to do today BUT I want to be thorough. I will post a response tonight or tomorrow. I spent about 3 hrs responding to you and Ephram last night. After I do my daily posting and get my house work done I will be back with that comment. To be honest, I would rather take one or two points and follow them out to some conclusion.</p>
<p>BUT AS WITH “MOST” CoC’ers I have met. That is the last thing they or Efram would want to do. Instead they will obfuscate falsehood after falsehood by Paraphrasing the word (INSTEAD OF QUOTING word for word) and interjecting their own pre-text, as Ephram just did excessively.</p>
<p>IN my response I will only examine one of your principle precepts. Your attempt to disassociate yourself from your theological and historical roots. BUT it will still be lengthy. You can counter respond,,,, or take any one or two subjects or points of your choice and we can run it up the flag pole and see if it will fly.</p>
<p>Thanks Damon</p></blockquote>
<p>And Chris responded with&#8230;.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Damon,</p>
<p>Thank you again for taking the time to keep up on this post. There’s a lot here to read. I would not be back if I thought we could not have a good discussion.</p>
<p>However, I do have a concern about your responses to a specific question that both Bill and I have asked you.</p>
<p>We both asked you what you thought baptism is for. You never gave a real answer to the question using the Scripture itself. You only said that it’s a symbol, and referenced back to the language of 1 Peter 3:21. But with calling it a symbol you have never provided a single word of Scripture that teaches this stance (nor did you even explain from Scripture what function a symbolic baptism would serve)…</p>
<p>As far as referring to 1 Peter 3’s language regarding your view that baptism is a symbol, do you mean to say that baptism being a symbol is directly in the passage?</p>
<p>1 Peter 3:21 “and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also–not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ”</p>
<p>This verse in no way calls baptism a symbol. One must insert that meaning into the verse if they want to see it here.</p>
<p>What the verse (not me, but the text) does directly say about baptism is:</p>
<p>1-baptism now saves you- by the resurrection of Christ</p>
<p>2-baptism is a pledge (an enquiry; a question; a demand; earnestly seeking<br />
craving, an intense desire) of a good conscience toward God</p>
<p>3-baptism doesn’t save by washing dirt off of your body</p>
<p>these are the only direct statements the verse makes about baptism.</p>
<p>The only other point (that I can see) that could be made from this verse’s own statements about baptism is that it is obviously an immersion into water. I say this because Paul clarifies that washing dirt away does not save. But saying that it is water is a conclusion of reasoning, not Paul’s direct statement. It is possible that one could try to bath in another substance to wash filth off of their body, though they would then need to wash that substance off as well because it would also be considered filth… which would, in the end, require a water baptism to clean their body.</p>
<p>For certain the Spirit of God does not wash filth off of the physical body, nor does the spirit of man. The agent here must be a physical one, with the subject being both physical and spiritual and the result being spiritual. One can only call the baptism in this verse “spiritual baptism” in so far as they mean this: that the body of the man is baptized in something physical and his spirit is spiritually affected by that physical baptism. No further spiritual inference is possible from the verses own words.</p>
<p>So I ask you once more in good faith, what do you believe baptism is for? Along with your own words, please provide Scriptures that themselves (without inserted opinion) validate your belief on the purpose/meaning/function/etc… of baptism. If people are to know the truth about baptism, then they need to know it is truth that comes straight from His word. We cannot ask one another to believe something simply because we believe it ourselves. We must have Christ as our solid foundation.</p>
<p>Thank you again for your time Damon. I pray, if it is the Lord’s will, that in your radio show the truth of God will be known, accurately supported by His Word. And I pray that you will be able to know it and present it there, accurately and from the heart.</p>
<p>-Cris Jesse</p></blockquote>
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<p>I then responded with&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi Chris, Hey thank you for the cordiality. And especially TY for the last part of your post. I hope that God hears our prayers.</p>
<p>Hey look man, I am reasonable and almost decent guy. I do not try to misrepresent anyone. I look at beliefs that I see as contrary to the bible. Because I have about 12-15 cult members (3 different cults) and someone in my family was interested in the occult. Well I have been a target for most of my life because of my mainline Christian beliefs. I even had my Dad make fun of me (and the rest of my immediate family),, from about 7-8 until about 38 yrs old, about believing in Jesus because of how he was treated by these family members before I matured.</p>
<p>And I have a bad taste in my mouth because of some CoC members I have interacted with. AND I do realize that NOT ALL CoC are the same. There are even many, over a dozen divisions of CoC (historically speaking). I read several times, from 20-70 % are cultic. And have never found onemember to not be,,, personally in teachings. IT IS NOT my fault that ya’ll do have a form and level of autonomy and some CoC act the way they do. I know it is not yours. BUT hey. I do NOT see myself as fighting coc or the coc. Invisible is the war I engage. And a little bit in the information arena too. But not from hatred BUT that people will know the truth and as few as possible have to succumb to false teachings.</p>
<p>I will have to get some sleep before I decided to answer your post or not. But TY for writing in a descent way.</p>
<p>Damon</p></blockquote>
<p>And then Chris never commented again.</p>
<p>The next CoC debater up was Bill Abercrombie. He started with&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>There is no way that I could refute all of the false teaching set forth in your article concerning the Church of Christ in few words, but I will say the following for a start.</p>
<p>I have been a member of the Church of Christ since 12 years old, my parents took me all the years possible before that, I will be 70 my next birthday and I have never heard a Church of Christ preacher or anyone else in the Church say you have to have a Church of Christ preacher baptize you, in fact I am not a preacher, but I have personally baptized a few.</p>
<p>How one could contend that a Church of Christ preacher is not saved and at the same time advocate that all you need to do is believe in Christ as your Lord and Saviour is beyond my imagination. The Church of Christ teaches that you must believe in Christ as your Saviour. If that is what saves you, how could doing anything else make your salvation void?</p>
<p>It is correct to say that “to repent” means “to have a change of mind, or as Strongs says: to think differently.</p>
<p>It is from the Greek word “met-an-o-eh-o”.</p>
<p>But I believe all would have to admit that the mind set of the people that Peter was preaching to in Acts 2: 38 was that of living in sin or trying to live according to the Old Law. They needed to change their way of life in many ways as well as their attitude toward Christ. If you notice in Acts 2: 38 Peter said that repentance (and) baptism was (for) the remission of sins. Who would contend that you can be saved without your sins being forgiven. Notice that Peter said nothing about believing in these verses yet we know that they did after what Peter preached.</p>
<p>Peter made it very clear that Both repentance and baptism was for the remission of sins.<br />
Some contend that the word “for” in Acts 2: 38 is from the a Greek word that means “because of”<br />
But the Greek word from which “for” is taken is the Greek word “eis” which according to Strongs dictionary means “to or into” and goes on to say it indicates the point reached or entered.<br />
The same Greek word “eis” is used in Matthew 26: 28 in reference to Christ shedding his blood<br />
“for the remission of sins” The same wording used in Acts 2: 38.</p>
<p>Who would contend that Jesus shed his blood “because of “ or sins being forgiven. If our sins were forgiven before he shed his blood their would have been no need for him to die.</p>
<p>Matthew 26: 28 is speaking of Christ’s part in our salvation and Acts 2: 38 is speaking of our part.<br />
What Jesus told the disciples to do in Matthew 28: 18 – 20.</p>
<p>Belief is for the remission of sins (Acts 10: 43). But notice when you go on down to verse 48 Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.</p>
<p>Why would he do that if there was no need for it?</p>
<p>Belief, repentance and baptism are all for the remission of sins.</p>
<p>The word “remission” is from the Greek word “af-es-is” which means “freedom or pardon”<br />
To claim that we don’t need to be baptized to be saved is contrary to what the scriptures teach.<br />
I could say much much more about this, but that will be enough for now.</p>
<p>I pray that all will study and seek after the truth in the scriptures and not after the teaching of men.<br />
Bill Abercrombie.</p></blockquote>
<p>AND&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>What I didn’t ask in my first comment is what do you believe baptism is for.</p>
<p>You go to great trouble to try to prove it is not needed for salvation and you misrepresent scripure in doing so, but you have never said what you believe water baptism is for. That is unless I overlooked what you said about it. If that be the case I would appreciate it if you would put it in simple easy to understand words what you do believe concerning it. Or is it that you deny that water baptism is taught in the bible?</p></blockquote>
<p>I then responded to Bill with&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>WELL that is pretty simple Mr Bill.</strong></p>
<p>1Pe 3:21A The like figureG499</p>
<p>G499 an-teet’-oo-pon<br />
Neuter of a compound of G473 and G5179; corresponding (“antitype”), that is, a representative, counterpart: – (like) figure (whereunto).</p>
<p>antitype<br />
1. One that is foreshadowed by or identified with an earlier symbol or type, such as a figure in the New Testament who has a counterpart in the Old Testament.<br />
2. An opposite or contrasting type.<br />
<a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/antitype" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/antitype</a></p></blockquote>
<p>And Bill responded with&#8230;..</p>
<blockquote><p>Very good Damon, but you didn’t answer my question. You only gave a definition of what an antitype is.<br />
the antitype (an-teet-oo-pan) in I Peter 3: 21 was Noah and eight souls being saved by water. Or do you deny that?</p>
<p>It is also true that Noah and eight souls being saved by water foreshadowed baptism, which I Pet. 3: 21 says also doth now save us. or do you deny it says baptism saves us?</p>
<p>the word baptism in this verse is the Greek word bap-tis-mah which means immersion. I fail to see how you can deny that the immersion spoken of in this verse is by water since that is exactly what I Pet. 3: 21 says foreshadowed what he was speaking of.</p></blockquote>
<p>I responded with&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Mr. Bill, I have NO obligation to respond to your loaded and meant to consternate questions.</p>
<p>I AM SURE THAT PEOPLE ALL THAT ARE GODS ELECT,,,, will be able to see what the bible clearly says about baptism. IT IS ONLY A SYMBOL.</p>
<p>JFI, I have never once had any intentions of winning a discussion with a cult member to get him saved and rescued. This blog is here for seekers to be able to find out what cults really teach before they get into one. AND it is aimed at those cult members that are not indoctrinated to teeth already by their cult, with the chance they might see the light of God.</p>
<p>BUT people like you Bill are going to try to argue with Jesus on judgment day. LOL And let me tell ya how that is gonna work. LOL</p>
<p>So any response I give to you is for the observers benefit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then I had to cut Bill off with&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>MR. BILL, Your comment was NOT approved. If after all this time of you visiting this blog,,, AND you still have not figured out that MY name IS NOT David,,, and I DID NOT write this article. THEN YOU WON’T BE POSTING HERE ANYMORE.</p>
<p>It is one thing to spout an excessive diatribe against a man instead of HIS position and arguments. BUT it is quite another to have a faith that is so easily refuted and indefensible, that you have to visit opposing BLOGS because your scared someone is gonna get led astray, and ALL THE while, YOU have such an indifference for truth,,,, that you don’t even ask yourself,, Hey,,, DID THIS GUY WRITE THIS? AND then proceed to hurl stones at the writer,,,, anyway.<br />
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<p>“Apologetics may bolster faith and dispel doubt, but it cannot bend the will.” – Brian Auten</p></blockquote>
<p>There are many other exchanges at <a href="http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/church-of-christ-cult-by-david-j-stewart/" target="_blank">the post here</a>. They never really evolved into anything of substance but are useful to see how CoCers will do just about anything to obfuscate the issues when debating. I hope someone somehow benifits from this post showing some of my debates with CoC&#8217;ers.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;We have no creed by the Bible&#8221; is a slogan I have heard from childhood. And it is a noble slogan. We have been a fellowship of sloganeers. &#8220;We speak where the Bible speaks and are silent where the Bible is silent.&#8221; That is one of my favorites. I only wish it were true. If [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4381259&#038;post=2785&#038;subd=how2becomeachristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have no creed by the Bible&#8221; is a slogan I have  heard from  childhood. And it is a noble slogan. We have been a fellowship of  sloganeers.  &#8220;We speak where the Bible speaks and are silent where the Bible is  silent.&#8221; That  is one of my favorites. I only wish it were true. If we have genuinely  lived by  these kinds of directives then why all the splits and divisions within  our  religious movement over matters about which scripture has usually been  deafeningly silent? No, slogans do not make us a people of God&#8217;s own  choosing.</p>
<p>Leaders among the &#8220;restoration churches&#8221; have for  years been  saying that we have no creed/creeds. It appears to me that we have  fooled  ourselves into believing that if we repeat something often enough and  loudly  enough sooner or later people will believe it. It&#8217;s sort of how creeds  are  developed in the first place. In other words, if we practice or teach  something  long enough it will become an &#8220;old paths&#8221; tradition. Then, if the  tradition  doesn&#8217;t die, it becomes canon law (a creed) and is now a vital enough  matter to  debate.</p>
<p>Of course not all of us are guilty of accepting all  of the  creeds that will be here mentioned. So we may pick and choose those of  which we  are guilty of obeying and enforcing. Not all of the creeds &#8220;we&#8221; have  sired will  be here mentioned for two main reasons: 1) I can&#8217;t recall them all, 2)  Lack of  space and/or literary license from brother Charles. Now, if your  kindness, dear  readers, will allow, I shall launch into my laundry list of  ecclesiastical  creedalisms developed over myriad of decades of institutional evolution.  These  are not necessarily listed in order of importance.</p>
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<p><strong>First is the matter of the liturgical  (orthodox) prayer of the  churches of Christ. </strong>Our forms and expressions of  worship can easily become crystalized. Involved in our prayer creed is  the  business of who to address. One must direct his prayer to God the Father  and to  Him alone; never the God the Son, Jesus Christ. Forget that we have a  biblical  example of Stephen praying directly to Christ. Forget that Jesus is our  intermediary to the Father (can you imagine a client never getting to  talk to  his attorney?). Forget that some may occasionally desire to slip in a  small, &#8220;I  love you, dear Jesus, for what you did for me!&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only must we pray exclusively to the Father and  never utter  a word to Christ or the Holy Spirit (who also mediates on our behalf),  but we  must at home juncture within the prayer speak the words, &#8220;In Jesus&#8217;  name.&#8221; It is  preferable to say this at the closing in a public prayer so that the  congregants  may Amen in agreement without distress.</p>
<p>Oh, I almost forgot, there is the matter of prayer  &#8220;language&#8221;  to the ultra orthodox. <strong>Majestic </strong>pronouns are often preferred over  other,  less regal, words (thee, thou, and thy over you and your). Somehow these   pronouns are able to convey respect and humility to God in spite of the  fact  that there were no <strong>royal </strong>pronouns in the biblical languages. To  add to  this dilemma, there are also preferred cliche expressions to top things  off (of  course I try to avoid cliches <strong>like the plague</strong>. Expressions such  as: 1)  Guide, guard and direct, 2) Ready recollection, 3) Molestation, 4)  Another  portion of thy word, 5) Sick and afflicted, 6) Next appointed time, 7)  Respective places of abode, et al.</p>
<p>Aside from the matter of &#8220;holy&#8221; pronouns and catch  phrases is  the business of regressing into Elizabethan English to speak to deity.  Joseph  Smith used this technique when he penned his Book of Mormon and  &#8220;Inspired&#8221;  version of the Bible. He assumed that if he wrote, &#8220;And it came to pass&#8221;  some  2,000 times that the story would have an obvious ring of divinity. He,  as we,  used phrases with ancient words like <strong>wouldst</strong> and <strong>couldst</strong> and  <strong>hast </strong>and <strong>loveth</strong> and <strong>coveteth</strong>. Really brethren, is a  prayer  more sincere if we say, &#8220;Holy Father, we loveth thee and coveteth thy  bountiful  grace&#8221; instead of&#8221;Dear Lord, we love you and ask for your generous  mercy?&#8221;  Besides, I tho&#8217;t coveting was a sin.</p>
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<p><strong>Second is the matter of the Lord&#8217;s Supper only  to be taken on  the first day of the week. </strong>If it&#8217;s taken<strong> </strong>any other time it&#8217;s  got to be wrong. Forget that  Christ instituted it on a &#8220;Thursday&#8221; (Thor&#8217;s day by our calendar)  evening.  Forget that there is no direct command found anywhere in the New  Testament that  requires Sunday (Sun Day) only observance. Forget that Jesus said, &#8220;As  often as  you eat this bread and drink this cup.&#8221; Forget that in Acts 2 the  disciples  &#8220;broke bread&#8221; daily. We have legislated a creed (or simply held on to a  vestage  of Romish theocracy as many denominations unwittingly did) that demands  the  communion of our Lord to be experienced/enjoyed only on one day of the  week  every week.</p>
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<p><strong>Third is the creed of unfermented wine. </strong>That&#8217;s<strong> </strong>right. Jesus turned water into Welch&#8217;s grape juice. Alcoholic wine  was not  and &#8220;cannot&#8221; be used for the Lord&#8217;s Supper, period. (As fascinating as  it seems,  there is even a group in our fractured movement that believes only  &#8220;fermented&#8221;  wine can be used.) Who says so? Keepers of the creeds, that&#8217;s who.  Forget that  the Corinthian brethren got drunk on Lord&#8217;s Supper wine. Forget the  prohibition  to elders not to be given to much wine (why prohibit the consumption of  harmless  juice?). This scribe wrote a simple essay on the Lord&#8217;s Supper several  years  back and made the &#8220;mistake&#8221; of concluding that the fermentation, or lack   thereof, of the communion wine<strong> </strong>was a matter of personal  <strong>preference</strong><em> </em>or circumstances. Letters poured in from both  sides.  Letters of disgust at my blatant liberalism. Yes, I&#8217;m a <strong>teetotaler, </strong>but   our <strong>teetotaling </strong>mentality has foisted upon us another  creed.</p>
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<p><strong>Fourth is the creed of unleavened bread. </strong>If  the<strong> </strong>wine must be pure then it follows that  the bread must be pure. Forget that unleavened bread was present at the  time  Jesus originated the Lord&#8217;s Supper because it was the only bread  available at  the moment because of the Passover feast just commemorated by Christ and  His  disciples. Forget that there is no command to use unleavened bread  exclusively  anywhere in New Testament scripture. If one doesn&#8217;t think we are hard  line about  such matters then attempt the use of fermented wine and store bought  bread in  most of our services.</p>
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<p><strong>Fifth is the matter of what form our worship  singing will take. </strong>Form becoming tradition becoming creed again!  This position (creed) is that all singing must be congregational  (everyone  singing at one time). There is no room for quartet or chorus (too much  like a  choir and everybody knows choirs are sinful) singing. There is no  quarter for  solos even though we sit mute while a paid orator (usually) tells us (in  solo)  what we want to hear but somehow we know that nobody has the right to  sing  (solo) what we want to hear.</p>
<p>Forget the fact that the New Testament is practically  silent  about the &#8220;form&#8221; of our singing and rather focuses upon purpose and  intent  (&#8220;with the spirit and understanding&#8221;). Forget the fact that Paul said  of a  group of Christians that each one had a song. Forget that many of our  congregational songs have alto and soprano and bass leads that are sung  while  the rest remain attentive but silent. Who knows how much damage this one  narrow  minded creed has done to our creativity in developing songs and musical  praise  to God. And where is the scripture found for such a hard line position?  Right  next to the one that says we can sing in four part harmony.</p>
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<p><strong>Sixth is the matter of elders not needing to  answer to the  flock but the flock having to answer to the elders. </strong>This creed is  directly  tied to the concept of elders comprising an &#8220;eldership&#8221; which is more or  less a  &#8220;boat&#8221; that carries a decision making board of directors (see Bob West&#8217;s  &#8220;I&#8217;ve  Learned Better&#8221; in <strong>The Examiner, </strong>Sept. 1988). Forget that elders  aren&#8217;t  elders without the members first desiring and acknowledging such. Forget  that  elders are to be shepherds and sheep feeders rather than Lords and sheep   herders. Most of the trauma concerning church leadership can be directly  traced  to elder-ships that suppose that somehow or other such servants are  endowed with  <strong>power</strong> to rule and reign over institutions called  churches. Jesus died for indigents, not for institutions!</p>
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<p><strong>Seventh is the creed that worship consists of  five (count&#8217;em)  acts to be done in an assembly hall </strong>(usually an expensive  edifice that helps maintain the institutional image). Five acts, mind  you, is  what worship is all about. And usually they must be done within the  framework of  an opening prayer (which begins worship) and a closing prayer (which  ends  worship).</p>
<p>This is one reason we have group singing (even  choirs) after  the dismissal prayer. You see, this makes it all scriptural. It is  against our  creed that &#8220;listening&#8221; is an item (act) of worship during singing.  Forget that  worship is an expression of the heart. Forget that there is no command  to  perform (engage in) five items of worship.</p>
<p>The five acts of worship, as if anyone would forget,  include:  1) Prayer, 2) Lord&#8217;s Supper, 3) Money giving, 4) Singing, 5) And most  important  of all, a religious speech (usually by a professional lecturer)  delivered to the  very ones who provide his salary. That&#8217;s it, folks! Worship! Forget the  bedtime  Bible stories told by a loving mother to her little ones. Forget the  hard work  father does to provide for his family (and his tithe). Forget hospital  visits,  death sympathies, kind words of encouragement and letters to the lonely.  There  are only five items of worship.</p>
<p>Sadly, we do have an unmentionable &#8220;sixth item&#8221; of  worship  which has not yet received full canonical acceptance, namely, the  announcements.  Yet Goad is serious in making the point that even announcements can be  very  worshipful and vital to a family of God&#8217;s worshippers. So can foyer holy  hugs  and kisses.</p>
<p>Before I continue, I can hear some of you now. Please  love me  in spite of my mouth/pen. I love you all. Jesus loves us all. We be  brethren  because of Christ and not because of unanimity of opinion. As verbal as I  am, I  am trying to be brief. Every one of these creeds could be a ten page  essay. So  at least be grateful for my condensation of thoughts. That always leaves  more  room for ambiguity and misunderstanding, but I would love to hear from  all who  wish to write in response, whether in agreement or to set me straight.</p>
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<p><strong>Eighth is the creedal matter of how we  interpret the  scriptures. </strong>In a nutshell our<strong> modus operandi </strong>in<strong> </strong>such  areas is  simply: 1) Direct command, 2) Apostolic example, 3) Necessarily  inference. This  &#8220;necessary inference&#8221; is the one that has gotten us into big trouble  throughout  the years. Just who determines what is necessarily inferred for another  person?  If we were Catholics then it would be easy to answer that question.  Again, this  might assist us in understanding why we have developed <strong>elderships. </strong>They  determine these matters.</p>
<p>Anyway, this three-pronged creed is an exegetical  tool of  understanding &#8220;who said what to whom when&#8221; and &#8220;is it binding for me?&#8221;  Of  course, there is no scripture that says this is how we define divine  truth for  the ages, but you couldn&#8217;t prove that by the decibels and syllogisms of  some of  our better known keepers of truth. Tools (formuli) to assist in  understanding  God&#8217;s word ought never to become ends in themselves. We all have  differing  vantage points from which we view scripture. The  command-example-inference  approach has its strengths and its weaknesses.</p>
<p>Not to undermine a help in understanding but to  enable us to  see that that is all it is, a tool, I mention just a few weaknesses. Our   fellowship has loosed direct commands (holy kisses &amp; feet washing  for  examples) and has bound inferences (Sunday only Lord&#8217;s Supper,  congregation  accapella singing for examples). I could list several examples but that  is not  my point. (I&#8217;d be delighted to hear from those with lists where we have  inadvertantly or on purpose bound and loosed in such fashion.) My point  is this,  there are myriad ways for truth seekers to come to a knowledge of truth.  I use  one rule of interpretation that works for me better than any other. I&#8217;d  be glad  to share it. But I do not hide behind it as though it is an inspired  creed  revealed from God.</p>
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<p><strong>Ninth in our list of creeds is the one that  says women can&#8217;t  serve in a public way without usurping men&#8217;s authority. </strong>Let me give  you an example. A woman can&#8217;t serve the Lord&#8217;s Supper emblems in  assembly. I won&#8217;t bore you with other examples. This is sufficient.  Forget that  a woman can prepare emblems before the &#8220;worship begins&#8221; and bring them  to the  table. Forget that she can cook and serve at home without usurping her  husband&#8217;s  authority. Forget that serving has nothing to do with usurping in the  first  place. She can&#8217;t do it! Why? It violates this feminine creed.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more. A ten year old boy who has just been  baptized can  pass the emblems up and down the church aisle, but a saintly seventy  year old  elder&#8217;s wife cannot. Get this. A woman can pass the emblems from side to  side  while sitting in the pew, but she can&#8217;t pass them up and down the aisle.  And she  had better be careful about standing up when she passes from side to  side.  Silly? You bet it is.</p>
<p>We have unknowingly (I&#8217;m being charitable) stifled  the  spiritual growth of countless female disciples by our insensitive and  creedal  approach that says to women, &#8220;Shut up and be quiet.&#8221; Please don&#8217;t 1,000  watch  dogs write to me and remind me to read 1 Corinthians 14 and I Timothy 2.  I  already have. But my example has nothing to do with those passages in  their  context (spiritual gifts in assembly and men able to pray &#8220;everywhere&#8221;  tho&#8217; we  have loosed the matter of holding up holy hands in that passage).</p>
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<p><strong>Tenth is the creed that fellowship implies  (confirms) consent  of the error of those we fellowship. </strong>Nonsense! I could  fellowship the pope himself in helping rescue a beggar from his plight.  That  would not mean I accepted Roman Catholicism or Papal infallibility.  Fellowship  is a mutual sharing and joint participation. It is not a pot luck. It  does not  prove endorsement or error. If we could fellowship only those who fully  agree  with us on every doctrinal matter we&#8217;d all be lonely souls indeed. So  simple and  yet we miss it. We&#8217;ve been programmed and conditioned to accept ideas we  haven&#8217;t  even prayed over or thought through to their logical conclusions.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Eleventh is the implied creed that in order  for a church to  grow it must acquire an edifice and secure a paid edifier. </strong>That&#8217;s  correct.  To start a church one must get some land, build a building, put the  sheep in  debt for years, hire a F.T.P.G.P. then we&#8217;re in business. Somebody  forgot to  tell Peter, James and John about such methods. <strong>The Examiner </strong>has  dealt so thoroughly with this idea  that I&#8217;ll be quiet, such a task as it is.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Twelfth is the belief that the genuinely  restored church of the  first century A.D. is one that can be traced to a pioneer American  religious  movement. </strong>Religious movements can be productive when they  force us to think ourselves out of indifference and creeds and point us  back to  the source of life. Yet we have a way of canonizing our restorationists.</p>
<p>Campbell no more had a monopoly on truth and  understanding than  did Luther in his time. We ought to be grateful for the contributions of  both of  these men. But to say, &#8220;Campbell&#8217;s movement has it!&#8221; or &#8220;Luther&#8217;s  movement has  it!&#8221; is a big mistake. Christ has it. Christ is it! We must learn to  stop  funneling our thinking through movements and men and focus on what makes  us  children of God.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Thirteenth is the notion that faithful  preachers of the gospel  are men graduated from our schools. </strong>True, Jesus  operated a preacher training school for three years. But, again I say,  nobody  (body of teachers especially) has a monopoly on truth and faithfulness,  not even  us.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Fourteenth is the unwritten (I&#8217;ve even seen it  in print) creed  that deacons handle physical matters and elders decide on spiritual  affairs. </strong>Forget that to be a true servant (deacon) of God is a  highly spiritual matter. Forget that among the first deacons were found  great  evangelists. Forget that in many churches the elders are so bogged down  with  administrative trivia that they have precious little time left for the  feeding  and tending of sheep. Being a deacon is not merely a matter of physical  administration.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Fifteenth is the notion that true New  Testament preaching of  the gospel is any talk or sermonette or homily delivered on Sunday from  behind a  wooden box or &#8220;pulpit&#8221; regardless of content. </strong>A sub<strong> </strong>notion is  that if it&#8217;s out of the box then it  falls under the classification of teaching. I am of the persuasion that  most if  not all of New Testament preaching was done without benefit of the  clerical  pulpit of today.</p>
<p>Did Peter have a pulpit when he used the keys of the  kingdom on  Pentecost? Did Paul have a pulpit on Mars Hill? Did Phillip, while  riding in the  eunuch&#8217;s chariot? It seems apparent that the proclamation of the death,  burial  and resurrection of Christ and how sinners can participate in it is the  heart  and center of the gospel and that it can be delivered with an open Bible  from  across a kitchen table or while riding in an automobile. Few souls who  have  never heard of Jesus seem to be clamoring to attend our religious  services so  they can humbly sit at the feet of professional clergy. Probably less  &#8220;conversions&#8221; take place in our stained glass cathedrals than we would  like to  admit.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Sixteenth is the creed that unity in Jesus can  be had if the  sectarians would just agree with us. </strong>In<strong> </strong>other words, unity is  achieved through unanimity of  opinion. Our opinion, of course. Just which of the many segments of the  Restoration Movement possesses this truth (sound doctrine) remains to be  seen  and depends on who one talks to. Jesus prayed for unity in John 17. It  must have  been achieved because Paul wrote that it was something one could  endeavor to  keep or maintain. It was not had because everyone thought exactly alike  but  probably because all those in Jesus were of like mind&#8230;a big  difference. Unity?  Yes! Robots all thinking alike? No. We&#8217;re correct and you are not! Come  join us  and we can be one? Never!</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Seventeenth is a creed already mentioned as we  began this trek  into reasoning, namely, the creed that says we have no creed but the  Bible. </strong>It may be<strong> </strong>the noblest of  all our creeds. I admit, I like it! It acknowledges a standard an  authority. It  points us to the liberating word. Yet it misses one glaringly  fundamental point.  The doctrine truth seekers encounter in the word are always open to  individual  interpretations. Our brains are different. Our backgrounds vary. Thus we  often  end up drawing dissimilar conclusions. Do our conclusions alter truth?  No. Does  a first impression understanding of a doctrinal matter mean one is  correct? No.  Does changing one&#8217;s mind or altering a position as maturity and insight  are  achieved suggest that truth is in a state of flux of the seeker of it is  without  proper understanding? Of course not.</p>
<p>Deciphering the mysteries of God&#8217;s divine revelation  to  humankind is a challenging and humbling experience. No one has an edge  on how to  come to grips with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.  To say  one has a hot line to Biblical interpretation smacks of popery and  apostolic  prowess. We deny papal right to speak <strong>ex cathedra </strong>yet some of our   brethren come frighteningly close to it in their pronouncements and  their  efforts at keeping the brotherhood pure. Beware!</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Eighteenth is a creed held by many that the  Lord no longer  divinely intervenes m bodily healing through prayer. </strong>We  pray for the sick, often in token fashion, then usually add a disclaimer  after a  request by saying, &#8220;If it be thy will.&#8221; To me this implies that it is  the Lord&#8217;s  will that cancer ravage bodies and babies lives are snatched in infancy  by  sickness. Who of us really believes such? Do we pray believing the power  of the  universe is at our disposal? I confess that I have been programmed for  so long  that I wonder if I have the capacity to completely utter a prayer with  childlike  faith and trust, especially regarding the healing of the sick and  infirmed.</p>
<p>Faith as a grain of mustard seed is all that is  required but we  have been taught such things ended about the time John penned his  revelatory  &#8220;Amen.&#8221; Perhaps we are afraid that if we teach and pray believing that  this will  lend credence to charlatans and frauds who dupe desperately ill and  gullible  people out of their money all in the name of divine gifts. Do frauds and  fakers  really detract from the promised blessings of Almighty God?</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Nineteenth is that somehow God authorized a  particular English  translation of the Bible, namely the King James Version (or insert your  choice). </strong>Someone<strong> </strong>jokingly said, &#8220;The  KJV was good enough for Paul so it&#8217;s good enough for me!&#8221; Absurd, you  say. Who  believes such? Then why all the commotion and writing and debating about  which  translation is authorized? Authorized by whom? Sadly some people still  don&#8217;t  possess any Bible in their own native language yet some among us have  created  disturbances (even splits) over versions. God should be thanked, and  linguists  too, that we have so many good committee translations in English. Can  you  imagine French Christians arguing and splintering over the KJV when they  can&#8217;t  even read it in the first place?</p>
<p>Sometimes it appears our church leaders spend  overtime deciding  which topics we can debate over and quarrel over rather than focusing  their  talents and energies on the message of a redeeming Saviour. Brethren, no  modern  translation of the Bible is inspired of God (excluding the Jehovah&#8217;s  Witnesses&#8217;  New World Translation and Joseph Smith&#8217;s Inspired Version of course).</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Twentieth is a widely held creed among so many  of us that the  proper and divinely designated name for God&#8217;s kingdom on earth is  (little c)  &#8220;church of Christ.&#8221;</strong> Can you believe it? Yes. Try to alter the name.  Just  suggest such a thing. The ekklesia was called so many things that an  obvious  conclusion an open mind could draw was that there was never given (or  intended)  a <strong>proper </strong>name for the body  of Christ. The &#8220;way&#8221; has always been described but never named. &#8220;The  church of  God&#8221; identifies the &#8220;bride of Christ&#8221; ten to one over &#8220;church of  Christ.&#8221; Come  to think of it &#8220;church of Christ&#8221; is found only in the plural and refers  to  congregations of the Lord&#8217;s people. We are so hung up on pigeon holing  people.  They all must have a name. We must have a name! The family of God  transcends  such legalism.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Twenty-first</strong> <strong>is</strong> <strong>the creed that  only members of  the (little c) church of Christ will</strong> <strong>be saved. </strong>Forget that  all those who are in Christ Jesus will be saved. Our narrow  understanding of that is to equate being in Christ with being in the  church of  Christ (our particular branch thereof). &#8220;One cannot be saved outside the  kingdom  of God and obviously the kingdom of God is us, the church of Christ.&#8221;  What  answer would one have received had he been able to ask a 95 A.D.  disciple of  Christ, &#8220;What is the name of the church?&#8221; Would such a question have  made any  sense?</p>
<p>Whew! I understand this seems negative. It could have  been  presented much more gently. But, alas, I have at my disposal only the  writing  skills thus acquired. So be patient with me. Forgive me for not quoting  or  scripture referencing every allusion to the Bible but I deliberately  left those  out to encourage you to search the scriptures personally. Those familiar  with  the word are aware and could easily quote appropriate scriptures at  proper  places within the text. The Lord bless you.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theexaminer.org/volume4/number1/creed.htm">http://www.theexaminer.org/volume4/number1/creed.htm</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[QUESTION #1 Is Freemasonry a Religion from http://logosresourcepages.org/FalseTeachings/freemas_2.htm Generally, the Freemason will inform anyone who asks, that his organization is not a religion. Thus, there would be no problem with any church affiliations, because joining the Masons is not joining &#8220;another church.&#8221; Recently many newspapers carried an insert entitled, Freemasonry &#8211; A Way of Life. [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4381259&#038;post=464&#038;subd=how2becomeachristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3><strong><a name="QUESTION #1">QUESTION #1</a> Is Freemasonry a Religion</strong></h3>
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<p>Generally, the Freemason will inform anyone who asks, that his organization is not a religion. Thus, there would be no problem with any church affiliations, because joining the Masons is not joining &#8220;another church.&#8221;</p>
<p>Recently many newspapers carried an insert entitled, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Freemasonry &#8211; A Way of Life</span></em>. The insert stated, <em>&#8220;Masonry is NOT a religion in any sense of the word, yet it is religious. Church membership is not a requirement, yet membership in ANY church is no bar to admission. There is nothing in the requirements of Masonry to prevent a Catholic, a Mohammedan, a Jew, a Buddhist, a Protestant, a Mormon, or any member of any religion from becoming a member.&#8221; </em>(The Question of Freemasonry, Computers for Christ). Dr. Richard Thorn, a 32 degree Mason writes, <em>&#8220;Masonry says that it is not a religion. An honest interpretation of the teachings of Freemasonry will show that instead of teaching men what to believe, men are simply asked to put the religion they already have, when they become a Mason, into everyday practice&#8221;</em> (&#8220;Fundamentalist &amp; Freemason,&#8221; The Northern Light, Vol. 25 No. 3 August, 1994, p. 9). Many similar statements are given by those involved in Freemasonry, and likely many believe it. But <span style="text-decoration:underline;">are they correct in their conclusion that Freemasonry is not a religion</span>? Let&#8217;s investigate and see what we uncover.</p>
<ul>
<li> <strong> <span style="color:#533800;">The Definition of &#8220;religion&#8221;</span></strong></li>
</ul>
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<p>To begin with, we need to define the word &#8220;<span style="text-decoration:underline;">religion</span>.&#8221; Webster defines it as <em>&#8220;&#8230;a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of people or sects&#8230;&#8221; </em>(Webster&#8217;s College Dictionary, Random House 1991 ed., p. 1138). To be sure this definition could be expanded to include much more, but this basic definition is sufficient for the purpose of this report.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s apply the key words and phrases from this definition of religion to Freemasonry. <strong>First</strong>, Masons have <em>&#8220;&#8230;a specific fundamental set&#8230;&#8221;</em> That is, they have set parameters, or guidelines, they operate by. <strong>Second</strong>, Freemasons hold to a system of common &#8220;<em>beliefs</em>&#8221; that form the foundation of their organization and which are agreed upon by their members. <strong>Finally</strong>, it encourages &#8220;<em>practices</em>,&#8221; which require a written standard from which to formulate them. Among their teachings are volumes of written materials explaining their doctrines, beliefs and goals. It is clear, Freemasonry fits the dictionary definition of a religion.</p>
<ul>
<li> <strong> <span style="color:#533800;"> The Teachings of Freemasonry</span> </strong></li>
</ul>
<p>Albert G. Mackey and Charles T. McClenachan wrote the 2 volume set titled <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Encyclopedia of Freemasonry</span></em>. This set is a standard reference for the &#8220;beliefs and practices&#8221; of Freemasonry. Note the following statement concerning Freemasonry and religion: &#8220;<em>There has been a needless expenditure of ingenuity and talent, by a large number of Masonic orators and essayists, in the endeavor to prove that Masonry is not a religion&#8230; <span style="text-decoration:underline;">I contend</span>, without any sort of hesitation, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">that Masonry is, in every sense of the word</span>, except one, and that its least philosophical, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">an eminently religious institution</span> &#8212; that it is indebted solely to the religious element which it contains for its origin and for its continued existence, and that without this religious element it would scarcely be worthy of cultivation by the wise and good</em>&#8221; (Vol. 2, p. 618).</p>
<p>Clearly, according to this statement, it is legitimate to speak of the &#8220;Religion of Freemasonry.&#8221; The above statement speaks of the &#8220;<em>religious element</em>,&#8221; which would indicate some form of doctrine. It uses the term &#8220;<em>cultivation</em>,&#8221; which seems to imply its practices. Mackey and McClenachan continue: &#8220;<em>The tendency of all true Masonry is toward religion. If it makes any progress, its progress is to that holy end. Look at its ancient landmarks, its sublime ceremonies, its profound symbols and allegories &#8212; all inculcating <span style="text-decoration:underline;">religious doctrine</span>, commanding religious observance, and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">teaching religious truth</span>, and who can deny that it is eminently a religious institution?&#8230;<strong> </strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> Masonry, then, is, indeed, a religious institution</span>; and on this ground mainly, if not alone, should the religious Mason defend it</em>&#8221; (Vol. 2, pp. 618-619).</p>
<p>It is obvious in the view of these Freemasonry writers that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Freemasonry is a religion</span> when they declare, &#8220;<em>&#8230;who can deny that it is eminently a religious institution?</em>&#8220;</p>
<ul>
<li><strong><span style="color:#533800;">Other Indicators of The Religious Nature of Freemasons</span> </strong></li>
</ul>
<p>There are other indicators that clearly verify the religious nature of Freemasonry including their ancient landmarks, ceremonies, symbols, allegories and teachings. One example is the meeting place, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">the Masonic Lodge</span>.<em> &#8220;Every lodge is a Temple, and as a whole, and in its details symbolic&#8230; A &#8216;lodge&#8217; is defined to be &#8216;an assemblage of Freemasons, duly congregated, having the sacred writings, square, and compass, and a charter, or warrant of constitution, authorizing them to work&#8217;&#8221; </em>(Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1917 ed., p. 7).</p>
<p>The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">ranks</span> of Freemasonry also suggest a religious order. Note the titles included in the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry &#8212; Perfect Master; Prince of Jerusalem; Chief of Tabernacle; Prince of Tabernacle; Knight of the Brazen Serpent; Prince of Mercy and Commander of the Temple. These titles are immersed in religious meaning and symbolism.</p>
<p>There is a great deal of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">symbolism</span> involved in Freemasonry. <em>&#8220;Freemasonry is a system of morality developed and inculcated by the science of symbolism&#8230; Withdraw from Freemasonry its Symbolism, and you take from the body its soul, leaving behind nothing but a lifeless mass of effete matter, fitted only for a rapid decay&#8221;</em> (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, Vol. 2, p. 754). <em>&#8220;Masonry uses many symbols. They&#8217;re our primary way of teaching, just as they were in ancient times&#8221;</em> (Questions and Answers, The Northern Light, February 1993, p. 19).</p>
<p>Though there is much more that could be stated, it should be apparent that Freemasonry is a religion. It is seen through the writings of the Masonic Order, the terms used in various activities, the titles of the hierarchy and the symbolism that is involved.</p>
<ul>
<li><strong><span style="color:#533800;">Why The Denial?</span> </strong></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Why do many Masons deny that their organization is a religion?</span> Why would a friend or relative neglect to be honest about their organization? There may be various reasons for the uncertainty of their answers.</p>
<p>To begin with, there are people who become involved in organizations in a superficial manner. I am convinced that many join Masonic organizations without a full understanding of the teachings the organization holds. They join simply for the companionship or for social contact or social standing. Their involvement is limited to the initiatory status without their knowing the history, doctrines or practices of the organization.</p>
<p>In reality, Freemasonry does not reveal its teachings to every Mason. One of their own publications admits that. <em>&#8220;Masonry, like all the Religions&#8230; conceals </em>(italics his)<em> its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it&#8221;</em> (Morals and Dogma, p. 105).</p>
<p>Clearly <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Freemasonry allows intentional deception within its ranks</span> when it desires to do so. In any event, it appears that not all Masons understand what is involved in the beliefs and practices of the Masonic Order.</p>
<p>Finally, the Mason is sworn to secrecy through oaths throughout the 33 degrees. For example, the Entered Apprentice of the first degree swears, <em>&#8221; &#8230;binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut from ear to ear, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the sands of the sea, at low water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I, in the least, knowingly or wittingly violate or transgress this my Entered Apprentice obligation. So help me God, and keep me steadfast&#8221;</em> (Ralph P. Lester, ed. Look to the East! A Ritual of the First Three Degrees of Masonry. Charles T. Powner Co., 1982, p. 31). Could it be that the denial is due to the oaths taken, and the penalty for disclosing any secrets? I believe the answer is &#8220;YES!&#8221;</p>
<ul>
<li><strong><span style="color:#533800;">Is Freemasonry a Religion?</span> </strong></li>
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<p>Though the arguments stated above are certainly nowhere near exhaustive, they are sufficient to establish the fact that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Freemasonry is a religion</span>. It fits an acceptable definition of a religion, and has its own order and system of doctrine.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Whitsell</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Word of Faith Movement is powerful and influential, with numerous affiliated churches worldwide. Compelling, charismatic leaders preach their peculiar doctrines to enthusiastic and accepting global audiences who view Word Faith as just another denomination within Christianity, but are they really? Best known for their &#8220;prosperity gospel&#8221;, they promise riches in this life. W ask [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4381259&#038;post=459&#038;subd=how2becomeachristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Word of Faith Movement is powerful and influential, with numerous affiliated churches worldwide. Compelling, charismatic leaders preach their peculiar doctrines to enthusiastic and accepting global audiences who view Word Faith as just another denomination within Christianity, but are they really?</p>
<p>Best known for their &#8220;prosperity gospel&#8221;, they promise riches in this life. W ask and answer the question, &#8220;Is Word Faith prosperity really Biblical prosperity?&#8221; The answer might surprise you. We let the Bible speak.</p>
<p>However the Word Faith Movement is in far deeper water doctrinally. Certain lines cannot be crossed without becoming outright heresy. These lines include the Person of Jesus Christ. We must not misrepresent our Lord and Savior, or we could be found guilty of presenting &#8220;another Jesus&#8221; and &#8220;another gospel&#8221; as the Apostle Paul warned the church.</p>
<p>Has the Word Faith Movement crossed the line? We believe so and you can decide for yourself as this DVD takes a Biblical look at some of their more aberrant teachings. Be prepared to be shocked!</p>
<p>Lorri MacGregor brings over thirty years of Discernment Ministry experience to this expose, having authored two books, ten DVDs, numerious articles and booklets examining various groups.</p>
<p>Lorri was a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness for 15 years and together with her husband Keith MacGregor and ministry partners Richard and Cheryl Schatz, serves with MM Outreach a US based non profit organization dedicated to the preaching of the gospel message to lost and hurting people.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Whitsell</dc:creator>
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<div>INTRODUCTION</p>
<p>“But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough” [II Corinthians 11:3-4 ESV].</p>
<p>With the same fear that Paul had for the Corinthian church, I issue this paper. Oh, that believers’ eyes will be opened and that they will not fall prey for the deceit of satan and follow after another Jesus. This paper is in response to teachings propagated by many Word of Faith Movement teachers. A man may be excused if the error he teaches is simply out of pure ignorance however, when they are reproved and continue unrepentant with their teachings, such should be addressed publicly of their error in order to savage the people of God from blasphemy. Many other things may be overlooked or simply be taken as matters of opinions but we cannot do that when it comes to the Person of Jesus. When the image of the true Jesus is distorted we’re dealing with heresies. The doctrine concerning Christ is not something left to our freedom of interpretation seeing that the Bible provides clear teaching of who He is.</p>
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<p>While there are many other views about Jesus I’m at present not undertaking such a task in this meager address. My purpose is to refute the horrific false Christ being propagated in the Word of Faith which is absolutely separated from the teaching of Scripture. Many people think that the criticism against the Word of Faith Movement is aimed at certain individuals. If you understand the magnitude of the task I’m undertaking you’ll be slow in saying that I’m attacking certain individuals. When the church of God is at stake we can never be too harsh with wolves, in this case war is the only option left to rescue God’s people from being deceived.</p>
<p>I look back into the years I’ve been part of the Word of Faith Movement and realize how many people are following after a Jesus of their own making rather than the one of Scripture. Many continue to follow after another or false Christ and sad it will be when Christ will turn them on the last day off as workers of iniquity and evil doers.</p>
<p>1. HE WAS JUST AN ANOINTED MAN</p>
<p>This view teaches that Jesus needed power like any other ordinary man because on earth He had no divinity dwelling in Him. Kenneth Copeland in his popular magazine wrote that Jesus “had no innate supernatural powers. He had no ability to perform miracles until after He was anointed by the Holy Spirit” [Believer’s Voice of Victory, August 1988, 8 – Question &amp; Answer].</p>
<p>This view disposes Jesus of being God and reduces Him to the level of an ordinary person. Scripture surely tells us that Jesus was anointed by the Father with the Holy Spirit and with power [Acts 10:38] but it’s not teaching this as the Word of Faith teachers do. His being enabled does not signify ordinariness but rather as proof of being commissioned by God and also as authentication for being the Messiah. The reason for being anointed with the Holy Spirit is the absolute doing of God i.e. God chose to authenticate the public ministry of His Son is such a form because He willed it to be so. Just because He was anointed does not make Him an ordinary man who needed the anointing of God’s Spirit in order to perform miracles, rather His kind of anointing was the authentication of His divinity.</p>
<p>Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus came as the Son of God, lived as the Son of God, died as the Son of God and rose from the dead as the Son of God. Truly, He was a man on earth but not an ordinary man like all men are. He was truly God in the flesh anointed and filled with the power at the during the Incarnation [Luke 1:35]; during the Baptism [Luke 3:22]; and during His Ministry [Luke 4:14]. However, none of these warrants that they happened because He was an ordinary man who needed the anointing – it all happened because God chose such a manner to manifest His Son in the world.</p>
<p>2. HE LEFT HIS DEITY IN HEAVEN</p>
<p>Dear reader, teachings about Christ can never be taken for granted any error about is perilous to the faith of God’s people. For some people this is not a serious offence to Scripture and consider those who go about exposing such errors as simply overreacting or being judgmental over minor issues. I find people who think erroneous teachings about Christ are minor issues quite ridiculous and at most annoying. If speaking blasphemously about God isn’t taken serious how much more about other doctrines of Scripture.</p>
<p>This view teaches that Christ came to earth simply as an ordinary man with no divinity in Him. Rodney Howard Brown boldly in his book stated that: “Nothing Jesus did was because He was the Son of God. The Bible says He laid aside His royal robes of Deity and when He walked on earth He did so as a Prophet under the Abrahamic Covenant” [Anointing, p. 15]. It is true that Christ left His glory in heaven in order to become like one of us but no Scripture teaches that left His Godhood in heaven. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, He was with God in the beginning… He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him” [John 1:1-2,10]. John does not give any impression in this first chapter of his gospel where Christ ceased to be God, rather there is continuity from the first verse to that of Him coming into the world i.e. He’s presented as God throughout even when He came in the form of man.</p>
<p>Brown misreads Scripture to present a Jesus of his own mind rather than that of Scripture. Christ having come in the form of man was a voluntary self-abasement of the second Person of the Trinity. But in that abasement, He did not leave His deity behind nor did He walked under the Abrahamic Covenant. He came as the Son of God in the form of man and lived as God in the flesh under the law (voluntarily). Brown’s view teaches that liberal and heretic view of Kenosis which Scripture itself doesn’t support. This doctrine of an empty God rises from the misinterpretation of Philippians 2:5-11. Nowhere does Paul imply that Christ ceased from divine attributes, He rather affirms that while Christ was God, He willingly abased Himself and never attempted to grapple with Him being God with the Father. He was equal with the Father but never for a moment did He attempt to proof that to anyone on earth but voluntarily abased Himself as to the Father’s purpose. For Christ to have ceased of His attributes of omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence etc would also mean that He ceased to be God which is an improbability for God can never cease to be who He is even when He came in the form of a man.</p>
<p>3. HE BECAME BORN AGAIN</p>
<p>On 25th December 2009 (06h18 a.m), an old family friend sent me a the most annoying text I’ve ever received in all my life. The message was as follow:</p>
<p>“Jesus was born to die for this world, He came and fulfilled what He was born to do. Then He was bornagain and His mission of being born in the flesh brought a victorious life to those who believe in Him and became born again as Him. As they enter their second birth, they are not only born again as Him but they are born in Him and from Him and became children of God as Him, Him being the firstborn from death. The believers did not only become His children they also became children of His Father and join-heirs with Him. That is why we believers need to celebrate His first birth more with passion and joy beyond anyone, for He brought us to a godly kingdom that will never end and gave us His nature and life and as He was given to us, we received EVERYTHING with Him. BLESSED FIRST BIRTHDAY JESUS OUR LORD AND GOD‼! WE ARE A NEW CREATION BECAUSE OF YOUR SECOND BIRTH BUT YOU HAD TO HAVE A FIRST BIRTH IN ORDER TO DIE AND BEING BORN AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING WE HAVE IN YOU‼” – I’ve made some changes just to make the text meaningful because it was written in SMS slang.</p>
<p>Now there are many who after hearing such nonsense would still expect that I should keep quiet about such heresies or sweep them simply under the carpet. Being a professional theologian and a Bible teacher over ten year I find this absolutely as a matter of serious concern. I have been reading my Bible since I can remember reading and never at one occasion was I tempted to have such a ridiculous view about Christ my God. Now for the sake of many who are out there who don’t know the truth; How can I keep quiet when the church of Christ is at stake? Tell me a better way to remain calm without breaking forth in a war when the people for whom Christ died should be indoctrinated with such nonsense? Should I choose ecumenicalism over Scripture’s clear doctrines and let my conscience condemn me for not speaking out for those who can’t? Curse be my own soul and may I be cut off from the people of God if I see such error progressing but sit back doing nothing.</p>
<p>The text sent to me is clearly truth mixed with great amounts of poison and soon we will begin seeing the manifestation of such poisonous doctrines. The woman that sent me the text is a great fan of superstar Nigerian TV preacher Chris Oyakilome – he teaches such nonsense to his followers. Many who follow after this man are caught up by his rhetoric speeches and their ignorance buys into everything he says without evaluating it with Scripture. Other prominent Word of Faith teachers such as Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn and others also do teach that Jesus became born again. Hinn taught that “Have you been begotten? So is He. Don’t let anyone deceive you. Jesus was reborn” [Our Position in Christ – Part I, 1991 – Videotape #TV-254].</p>
<p>This doctrine springs from a wrong interpretation of Colossians 1:18 [ESV] “And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.” It is surely a serious error to think that this verse and some others refer to some kind of spiritual rebirth of Christ. If these men can twist such clear Scriptures how can any other of their interpretations be trusted? Regeneration is something needed for sinful man who have died spiritually because of their sins. As for Christ Scripture teaches that He was without sin – how can a sinless person be born again? He carried the sins of the world yet without His nature being contaminated, He bore the sin is not the same as He became a sinner. He died for our sins is not the same as He died because He was sinful – His death was to satisfy the wrath of God concerning sin, not so He should be regenerated for us to experience regeneration. Colossians should be read along with [John 11:25, John 11:26; Acts 26:23; I Cor. 15:20-23; Rev. 1:5, Rev. 1:18]. All these verses testify to the fact that Christ’s resurrection from the dead and never to die again is exemplary of how believers will be resurrected and never to taste death again eternally. Therefore Paul argues that if Christ never rose from the dead then our hope and faith in vain. Christ rose from the dead not as though He were the first of persons to experience a return from death – but rather that He is the first to experience the kind of resurrection that awaits those who believe in God. For all who were resurrected in the Bible surely died but all who died in Christ will at the sound of the trumpet be resurrected and never to die again just as Christ and be with Him eternally.</p>
<p>The teaching of a born again Jesus is not Scriptural but rather an insult at the Person of God i.e. it is blasphemy to say God needed to be born again. Oh how we now need to heed to the warning of Jesus that: “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many…And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many…For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” [Matthew 24:4-5,11,24, KJV]. Surely as for false teachers and preacher are many in the Word of Faith movement of whom many are TV preachers.</p>
<p>CONCLUSION</p>
<p>Any person who teaches a distorted view of Christ not just the three issues mentioned here cannot be considered to be a true follower of Christ. As with the Word of Faith Movement that is infiltrating many Pentecostal and Charismatic churches, we can be so sure that this movement is not from God because it is God dishonoring in its every minute detail. These teachers have lifted themselves as people who now hear on behalf of their congregations and teach new revelations which are in reality not revelation from God but of their own minds. Oh, how wish to see the death of this heretic movement and its falsehood to be exposed everywhere where the true children of God are gathered. As long as God grants me the grace to live, I will fight this one movement for I’ve seen and experienced its devastating effects on people. Its deceit, falsehood, tyranny, spiritual blindness, God dishonoring doctrines, humanism, and prevailing worldliness because it is separated from the true teachings of Scripture.</p>
<p>How I desire for you dear reader that you’ll find the true Christ as revealed in Scripture and turn away from the Jesus that these false teachers have created to suit their own context. May God in His mercy open the eyes of your understanding that you’ll see Christ the Son of God not another Christ as according to the spurious preachers of the Word of Faith Movement.</p>
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